At 00:19 24/09/2012, Magdalena GORRELL GUIMARAENS wrote: >Hello everyone, > >A posting on another Yorkshire gen list today was most opportune as it >reminded me that it has been >quite some time since I posted information on the Yorkshire Surnames List >and how it can help fellow researchers in Yorkshire. So here goes, very >briefly. Which reminds me to offer thanks to Colin for his sterling work on the YKS pages on Genuki, and to Magdalena for her continuing efforts with the surname list. I know I am exceedingly grateful to people like these, and the other very knowledgeable people on these lists, who give their time and effort for our benefit. Thank you all. Andy.

Hello everyone, A posting on another Yorkshire gen list today was most opportune as it reminded me that it has been quite some time since I posted information on the Yorkshire Surnames List and how it can help fellow researchers in Yorkshire. So here goes, very briefly. The YKS Surnames List is hosted by Genuki and guided in all matters, both IT and genealogical, by Colin Hinson. Basically, it is simply a free database containing more than 24,000 submissions. These are surnames that researchers are interested in, as they relate to Yorkshire only, regardless of any other geographical connections they may have. This is why, when posting a surname, we ask you to keep all place names to Yorkshire alone. These are not my surnames and there is no provision for asking or answering queries. For these you need to post a message on one of the genealogy lists for Yorkshire. To find whether there are other researchers interested in the samesurname(s) as you, go to the Index Page at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/. Click on the box of letters that should include the surname in question. You will be taken to a sub-index page. Use your find tool for the surname. Once there, if you check on EMAIL next to a researcher's name, you will get an email address that you can use to contact that person directly with your queries. Some surnames may appear once or several times, depending on the number of people researching them, or even not at all. To submit a surname, you need to either use the form that appears on the Index Page or send the following information to me at ykssurnames@yahoo.com. Please do not use the email address from which I am posting this information. This must be repeated for each surname you are submitting. SURNAME (in all capitals) Place (if there is none, leave blank) Date(s) (if you have them, if not, leave blank) Your contact name (full name, first name, nickname, whatever you like. I will not accept any submissions w/o a name of some kind) Your email address Your website (if you have one, if not, leave blank) Sadly, some people forget to inform me when they change their email addresses and as a consequence, all attempts at contacting them are met with bouncing emails. I am always happy to update email addresses or website links and any information you may wish for a surname you have previously submitted. An email to ykssurnames@yahoo.com (with details of the OLD and NEW email and other relative information) is all it takes. Likewise, if you have been bounced, please let me know so that I can delete all the faulty submissions. I do hate it when people are so inconvenienced... If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* YKS SURNAMES LIST Administrator ykssurnames@yahoo.com http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net <http://aiic.net%20>

Hi Mike The Huddersfield Daily Chronicle (West Yorkshire, England), Monday, May 24, 1880 has a line about Partnerships dissolved - John Midgeley, John Whitenead (could be Whitehead) and Joseph Backhouse Johnson, wholesale grocers, Portland St, Halifax so far as regards Joseph Backhouse Johnson. Not quite sure what that means... maybe someone on the list can explain? Nothing else in the papers best wishes Jane -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:44 PM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Joseph Backhouse Johnson I wonder if someone can help me "Find" my G Grandfather, Joseph Backhouse Johnson, in around 1901? I can follow him from his birth in Warrington Lancs. On the 14 October 1849, right through to his Burial on the 1 May 1914 in Halifax, EXCEPT for the 1901 Census. I Have his wife, Louisa, as Head of the household, along with 4 children at 76 Rhodes Street, Halifax, And I have him again in 1911 living with his son Charles, 17 Lorne St. Halifax, but nothing in 1901. I wondered if, as he was a wholesale Grocer, he went abroad on business, but as my subscription to Ancestry.co.uk does not include Ships Passengers Lists, I wondered if anyone could find him for me? I am also intrigued as to the "Backhouse" part of his name as it doesn't appear anywhere in the Johnson tree (that I can see). Regards Mike mike.johnson at johnpall.co.uk ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can I add to this that the overseers of the poor accounts also exist for Brayton near Selby formerly in the WRY. I'm afraid when I read them I was not as generous as Colin so was only looking for my family. There was one particular family I remember who were supported by the community for a number of years. I also found on the newspaper records that one of my ancestors in Bishop Monkton, an overseer of the poor, sued the Bishop of Ripon for non payment of his poor rate. So I would endorse Colin's comment that these overseers records are a useful resource. Chris ________________________________ From: Colin B. Withers <Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int> To: "YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com" <YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012, 11:02 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Overseers of the Poor Accounts Today I uploaded several transcribed scans of the Overseers of the Poor Account Book, 1801-1829, for the parish of Ellerton in the East Riding. As there has not been many Overseers of the Poor account books published, I thought I would draw the attention of listers to this invaluable resource (where they survive). The detail is amazing, and can sometimes throw up births that are not in the parish registers, the fact that many widows in a parish earned extra money by nursing the sick in the parish, the details of the hunt for deliquent fathers, and much more besides. The Poor Rate Assessment (often called in the records as the 'sess') was a levy on every householder in the parish, so can form yearly mini censuses of heads of households in the years preceding 1841. Why not take a look at what they can contain, then see if any survive for parishes you are interested in. http://www.ellerton.info/people/church-records/overseers-accounts.html Good luck Colin ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Today I uploaded several transcribed scans of the Overseers of the Poor Account Book, 1801-1829, for the parish of Ellerton in the East Riding. As there has not been many Overseers of the Poor account books published, I thought I would draw the attention of listers to this invaluable resource (where they survive). The detail is amazing, and can sometimes throw up births that are not in the parish registers, the fact that many widows in a parish earned extra money by nursing the sick in the parish, the details of the hunt for deliquent fathers, and much more besides. The Poor Rate Assessment (often called in the records as the 'sess') was a levy on every householder in the parish, so can form yearly mini censuses of heads of households in the years preceding 1841. Why not take a look at what they can contain, then see if any survive for parishes you are interested in. http://www.ellerton.info/people/church-records/overseers-accounts.html Good luck Colin

Dear all, Below, the latest update for the YKS Surnames List. Only a few new submissions but sadly, many deletions because of bouncing emails. In addition, but not shown here, several websites were deleted from entries because these websites were no longer operational. If you have changed your URL or cancelled your website, please let me know so that I can remove it from your entry. It is very frustrating to find what appears to be an exciting new lead only to discover that the website in question is no longer valid. Many thanks for that. New submissions: BIRDSALL DIXON KENNEDY SHAW WATSON Deleted (number of entries) because emails bounced: Stewart (1) stewart@urtu.com Doreen Biggin (3) doreen.biggin@virgin.net Michael Flavell (1) mick.flav@ntlworld.com Judy Baugh (1) procyon@prodigy.net Ann Corner (7) acorner@shaw.ca Shaun Tymon (1) shaun@tymon.org Margaret Livesey (2) info@rosearbourbandb.com Regards to everyone, Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* YKS SURNAMES LIST Administrator ykssurnames@yahoo.com http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net <http://aiic.net%20>

Thank you to Wendy and to Nivard for checking on the divorce records on Ancestry and Findmypast. It appears that unless I can make contact with someone in the family who knows what happened I will just have to accept that Pamela was divorced, changed her name and then later married the man she was living with (that part I am assuming but it sounds logical). Carol Lylyk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll > Hi Wendy > > In reply only to the mention of the divorce index on findmypast , this > is a *very* misleading database > > A search for the names you mention do indeed get a hit for 1882 but have > no connection to a Pamela or a Roger > > > From the index it states :- > > Divorces & matrimonial causes for 1882 > > 1882 > 8258 NOEL v N - j? merchant > > So where they get the Roger or Pamela from is anyones guess > > ============================ > > The National Archives Catalogue can be searched for divorces under J77 > where is found the following which is clearly the same case > > Item reference J 77/280/8258 > Divorce Court File: 8258. Appellant: William Frederick Noel Noel. > Respondent: Josphine Annie Watts Noel. Co-respondent: Frederick > Merchant. ... > Jump to : Summary Back to search results Browse from here > > Ordering and viewing options > Context > J Records of the Supreme Court of Judicature and related courts > top of page Division within J Records of the Family Division and > predecessors > top of page J 77 Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later > Supreme Court of Judicature: Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Files > top of page > top of page J 77/280 > Top of page > Record Summary > Scope and content > Divorce Court File: 8258. Appellant: William Frederick Noel Noel. > Respondent: Josphine Annie Watts Noel. Co-respondent: Frederick > Merchant. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. > Covering dates 1880 > Held by > The National Archives, Kew > Legal status Public Record(s) > Language English > > =========================== > > I noticed this yesterday when searching for someone who gave a hit in > virtually every year, yet does not appear in any of them at all > > Not for the first time they appear to have a glitch in their software > > Hopefully this may save the OP the cost of checking it out > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 22/09/2012 08:24, Wendy King wrote: >> Carol >> >> I tried Ancestry their electoral rolls and the divorce records end in the >> 1960s. >> >> Find My past do have an index on line (www.findmypast.co.uk) which has a >> Pamela MERCHANT/Roger MERCHANT divorce in 1882. I am not a member so you >> would need to buy credits to check the details. >> > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5285 - Release Date: 09/22/12 >

Hi Wendy In reply only to the mention of the divorce index on findmypast , this is a *very* misleading database A search for the names you mention do indeed get a hit for 1882 but have no connection to a Pamela or a Roger From the index it states :- Divorces & matrimonial causes for 1882 1882 8258 NOEL v N - j? merchant So where they get the Roger or Pamela from is anyones guess ============================ The National Archives Catalogue can be searched for divorces under J77 where is found the following which is clearly the same case Item reference J 77/280/8258 Divorce Court File: 8258. Appellant: William Frederick Noel Noel. Respondent: Josphine Annie Watts Noel. Co-respondent: Frederick Merchant. ... Jump to : Summary Back to search results Browse from here Ordering and viewing options Context J Records of the Supreme Court of Judicature and related courts top of page Division within J Records of the Family Division and predecessors top of page J 77 Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes, later Supreme Court of Judicature: Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Files top of page top of page J 77/280 Top of page Record Summary Scope and content Divorce Court File: 8258. Appellant: William Frederick Noel Noel. Respondent: Josphine Annie Watts Noel. Co-respondent: Frederick Merchant. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd]. Covering dates 1880 Held by The National Archives, Kew Legal status Public Record(s) Language English =========================== I noticed this yesterday when searching for someone who gave a hit in virtually every year, yet does not appear in any of them at all Not for the first time they appear to have a glitch in their software Hopefully this may save the OP the cost of checking it out Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/09/2012 08:24, Wendy King wrote: > Carol > > I tried Ancestry their electoral rolls and the divorce records end in the > 1960s. > > Find My past do have an index on line (www.findmypast.co.uk) which has a > Pamela MERCHANT/Roger MERCHANT divorce in 1882. I am not a member so you > would need to buy credits to check the details. >

Carol I tried Ancestry their electoral rolls and the divorce records end in the 1960s. Find My past do have an index on line (www.findmypast.co.uk) which has a Pamela MERCHANT/Roger MERCHANT divorce in 1882. I am not a member so you would need to buy credits to check the details. I looked at the Family trees on line (not always reliable but sometimes give a good lead!) and came up with one entry for Pamela. They have no details on her marriage but list her with two children Fiona and Richard NICHOLSON. By this time you get the mother's name on the birth index so I checked the birth records on Ancestry and found Pamela Fiona NICHOLSON born 1982 registered at York April to Jun quarter 1982 mother's name HALLERON, and Richard Andrew NICHOLSON born 1987 also registered York mother's name HALLERON. When I looked to see if there were any MERCHANT/HALLERON births it came up with: Pamela Fiona MERCHANT born 1982 registered at York April to Jun quarter 1982 - both of her entries are on the same certificate reference. You would have to buy it to find out but if were you I would email York Registrar (registrar@york.gov.uk) quoting their reference number, YK/B25A/16 to check if the information is all on one certificate and if they can tell you why. Please note that this reference is the local office one - you can order certificates through them (ask when you email) but if you want to order from the GRO you need certificate number 2 2655 for 1982 quarter April to June. So clearly at this point Pamela was still married to Roger MERCHANT but living with Kenneth NICHOLSON. By the time Richard junior was born she was no longer living as MERCHANT so the name change by deed poll must have taken place between 1982 and 1987. I would take the birth of Pamela Fiona as the catalyst for this. The 1976 Legitimacy Act meant that children born before marriage could be legitimised if the parents subsequently married. I have posted this to Yorksgen to let other folk know that you have at least a partial answer to your question. Wendy PS the Pamela Fiona and Richard Andrew deaths are not on freebmd but are on www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk

Mike, Is this him? Some details right, others wrong. But age & initials fit. Did he and his wife separate? Name: J B Johnson Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: South Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: Ardwick St Matthew County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: 48 Hampden Street Occupation:??? Swimmer (Exhib) Condition as to marriage: Single ? Employment status: own account View image Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 162 Piece: 3675 Folio: 161 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Dinah Goddard 54 Charles Eckersley 31 J B Johnson 52 Frances Weidman 28 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3675; Folio: 161; Page: 25. On 20 Sep 2012, at 18:44, Mike wrote: > I wonder if someone can help me "Find" my G Grandfather, Joseph Backhouse > Johnson, in around 1901? > > I can follow him from his birth in Warrington Lancs. On the 14 October 1849, > right through to his Burial on the 1 May 1914 in Halifax, EXCEPT for the > 1901 Census. I Have his wife, Louisa, as Head of the household, along with 4 > children at 76 Rhodes Street, Halifax, And I have him again in 1911 living > with his son Charles, 17 Lorne St. Halifax, but nothing in 1901. I wondered > if, as he was a wholesale Grocer, he went abroad on business, but as my > subscription to Ancestry.co.uk does not include Ships Passengers Lists, I > wondered if anyone could find him for me? > > I am also intrigued as to the "Backhouse" part of his name as it doesn't > appear anywhere in the Johnson tree (that I can see). > > > > Regards > > > > Mike > > mike.johnson at johnpall.co.uk >

If someone with your surname was one of the early settlers in the USA then you tend to find that most people on the various mailing lists are descended from them. I went to a talk by the author of Glencoe and the Indians (and various other books on the subject). He visited the present day Nez Perce Indians and whilst there had a meal in their community hall. The children were playing in the corner whilst the grown-ups had their meal, it occurred to him that every one of these children could be shown to have a direct line back to Somerled and beyond whilst many wealthy Americans visit the Highlands to find their roots and never get beyond some crofter. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: 21 September 2012 11:22 To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com; Eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com; wEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Cc: leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com; eNG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] [NTT] Beware the Internet genealogy bucket shops! From: "Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor.net> To: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>, <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, <Eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com>, <wEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Copies to: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com>, <nottsgen@rootsweb.com>, <eNG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Beware the Internet genealogy bucket shops! Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:08:27 +0100 > I would if anyone has looked at the demographics of the people that > buy them Roy. > > When I started a new job in CA, back in 2009, they happily presented > me with a printout of the "coat of arms for my surname" since they > knew I was also a genealogist. I had to smile and look appreciative. > > Tony < I'm glad you said that and not me, Tony - I wouldn't want to upset our American cousins yet again! However, I suspect you are probably right and the majority of people who buy these things are in the US of A, and I say that with the greatest respect to the many serious American family historians we have on these lists. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor.net> To: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>, <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, <Eng-yorkshire@rootsweb.com>, <wEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com> Copies to: <leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com>, <nottsgen@rootsweb.com>, <eNG-HERTFORDSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Beware the Internet genealogy bucket shops! Date sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:08:27 +0100 > I would if anyone has looked at the demographics of the people that > buy them > Roy. > > When I started a new job in CA, back in 2009, they happily presented > me with a printout of the "coat of arms for my surname" since they knew I > was also a genealogist. I had to smile and look appreciative. > > Tony < I'm glad you said that and not me, Tony - I wouldn't want to upset our American cousins yet again! However, I suspect you are probably right and the majority of people who buy these things are in the US of A, and I say that with the greatest respect to the many serious American family historians we have on these lists. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

This is one of my occasional messages aimed at helping beginners to genealogy and family history to avoid those pitfalls and traps which are so prevelant in our hobby, especially for novices who are just starting out on the trail. I was trawling the web today and was appalled to see that those websites that purport to sell you the so-called "history of your surname", your "family coat of arms", and all kinds of other rubbish like mugs, t-shirts, key-rings and other products with your supposed "coat of arms" on them appear to be burgeoning. They would seem to have moved out of shopping malls and market stalls and onto the Internet. I was saddened earlier this year that they even seem to have been allowed into the big history fair at Olympia as well and no doubt they are found at other family history fairs around the country. I expect the organisers would say they are happy to take their money but in my opinion they shouldn't be allowed into any serious genealogical gathering. Anyone who has any genealogical experience at all will know that these people are charlatans cashing in on what has become a highly popular and lucrative hobby and the gullible beginner may fall for some of the things they offer. I have written about them a number of times on mailing lists and in the family history press and I call them "bucket shop genealogists". You only have to read some of the "surname meanings" and alleged origins to see how ludicrous some of them are. It doesn't matter what name you enter, it almost always tell you that it is Norman and came with William the Conqueror or that it goes back even further to Anglo-Saxon barons. Of course, your supposed "ancestors" were always lords of the manor with a family seat! According to these bucket shops, there weren't any ordinary people around in those days. They are simplying playing on peopl's gullibility and snobbery. Be aware also that there is no such thing as a "family coat of arms" or a coat of arms for a particular surname. Heraldry is a complicated subject but in general arms were/are granted only to a particular individual and direct heirs in the male line (with a few exceptions) and they had to be differenced. Just because there may be a coat of arms for your surname it doesn't mean that anyone of that name can use them !!! Please be aware that this is important and could even lead to legal problems if you use arms illicitly. You might also notice that the coats of arms appear pretty similar, with virtually identical backgrounds, and are clearly devised by modern artists with no regard whatsoever to the originals. To give an example, I found at one particular website - no names, no pack drill but it's a very large and well-known one - a supposed "Stockdill coat of arms". I know for an absolute fact that there has never been anyone of my name who had arms (I checked with the college of Arms), there are arms for Stockdale, yes, but none of them had any anything to do with me. So please, please beware, you beginners out there! If you simply want something pretty to hang on your dining room wall, then OK, but don't expect the information you get to be necessarily accurate. As always, there is only one way of devising a history of your surname, which is to do your own research very carefully and don't buy one from one of these websites. Good luck! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

That was my point - people often could not afford to divorce or the other partner refused an uncontested (ie cheaper) divorce. Therefore to live together with the appearance of being a married couple at work (social security number) and socially some women changed their name by deed poll. You would need to check when the divorce occurred - perhaps some time after they had started living together. If you can look at electoral rolls or find out when she changed her name you will get an idea of the sequence of events. Several of my friends in this position did not bother with marriage for years after the divorce - often in later life to tidy up the legal consequences of not being married to the spouse. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Carol Lylyk Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 4:18 AM To: Wendy King ; YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll I am guessing that she was probably living with Kenneth Nicholson after (or maybe before) her divorce from Roger Merchant so I imagine that is when she changed her surname to Nicholson. Carol Lylyk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy King" <wendyking37@hotmail.com> To: "Carol Lylyk" <clylyk@telus.net>; <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll > In my experience this type of name change before marriage is nothing to do > having been divorced. A divorced woman can return to her birth name and > generally uses her decree nisi as evidence rather than make a name change > by deed poll. Name change deed poll was a way of holding the same name as > the partner you were living with before marriage. This meant that you > appeared on official documents such as electoral registers, bank and > personal records as though you were married. > > If you google name change by deed poll you will get links to the national > archives (you have to visit to check dates etc. as the index is not on > line) and a number of sites giving clear explanations of the process etc. > > I think you are confusing annulment with dissolution. Dissolution is the > term used to indicate that a couple has severed all ties after a divorce : > Divorce (or the dissolution of marriage) is the final termination of a > marital union, cancelling the legal duties and responsibilities of > marriage and dissolving the bonds of matrimony between the parties (unlike > annulment, which declares the marriage null and void). As such it is not > limited to any particular religious faith. > > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Lylyk > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:59 PM > To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll > > My relative Pamela HALLERON, born 1948 in York married Roger Merchant > (formerly > Parker) in 1970. When I received the death certificate for her father who > died > in 1984 I noticed that informant was Pamela NICHOLSON, daughter. > I found a marriage of a Kenneth Michael Nicholson and Pamela Nicholson on > FreeBMD so sent for that certificate. > It states that Pamela Nicholson (name changed by deed poll) and Kenneth > Nicholson married in 1991 and that her marriage had been previously > dissolved. > > I am wondering if there is any way of finding out when she had her name > changed > and why the marriage was dissolved. I thought at first that maybe they > had been > married in a Catholic church and that is why the term 'dissolved' was used > but > the first marriage was in a Church of England. > > The sad part of this saga is that she died 5 days later of cancer. I > guess they > decided to make it legal while there was still time. > > Carol Lylyk > Calgary > Canada > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5278 - Release Date: 09/19/12 >

I am guessing that she was probably living with Kenneth Nicholson after (or maybe before) her divorce from Roger Merchant so I imagine that is when she changed her surname to Nicholson. Carol Lylyk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy King" <wendyking37@hotmail.com> To: "Carol Lylyk" <clylyk@telus.net>; <YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll > In my experience this type of name change before marriage is nothing to do > having been divorced. A divorced woman can return to her birth name and > generally uses her decree nisi as evidence rather than make a name change by > deed poll. Name change deed poll was a way of holding the same name as the > partner you were living with before marriage. This meant that you appeared on > official documents such as electoral registers, bank and personal records as > though you were married. > > If you google name change by deed poll you will get links to the national > archives (you have to visit to check dates etc. as the index is not on line) > and a number of sites giving clear explanations of the process etc. > > I think you are confusing annulment with dissolution. Dissolution is the term > used to indicate that a couple has severed all ties after a divorce : Divorce > (or the dissolution of marriage) is the final termination of a marital union, > cancelling the legal duties and responsibilities of marriage and dissolving > the bonds of matrimony between the parties (unlike annulment, which declares > the marriage null and void). As such it is not limited to any particular > religious faith. > > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Lylyk > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:59 PM > To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll > > My relative Pamela HALLERON, born 1948 in York married Roger Merchant > (formerly > Parker) in 1970. When I received the death certificate for her father who > died > in 1984 I noticed that informant was Pamela NICHOLSON, daughter. > I found a marriage of a Kenneth Michael Nicholson and Pamela Nicholson on > FreeBMD so sent for that certificate. > It states that Pamela Nicholson (name changed by deed poll) and Kenneth > Nicholson married in 1991 and that her marriage had been previously dissolved. > > I am wondering if there is any way of finding out when she had her name > changed > and why the marriage was dissolved. I thought at first that maybe they had > been > married in a Catholic church and that is why the term 'dissolved' was used but > the first marriage was in a Church of England. > > The sad part of this saga is that she died 5 days later of cancer. I guess > they > decided to make it legal while there was still time. > > Carol Lylyk > Calgary > Canada > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5278 - Release Date: 09/19/12 >

At 18:44 20/09/2012, Mike wrote: >I am also intrigued as to the "Backhouse" part of his name as it doesn't >appear anywhere in the Johnson tree (that I can see). It's always in the family. I have John Curtis Micklethwaite in one of the Micklethwaite trees - my contact for that branch says Curtis was the name of a good family friend. HTH Andy.

I wonder if someone can help me "Find" my G Grandfather, Joseph Backhouse Johnson, in around 1901? I can follow him from his birth in Warrington Lancs. On the 14 October 1849, right through to his Burial on the 1 May 1914 in Halifax, EXCEPT for the 1901 Census. I Have his wife, Louisa, as Head of the household, along with 4 children at 76 Rhodes Street, Halifax, And I have him again in 1911 living with his son Charles, 17 Lorne St. Halifax, but nothing in 1901. I wondered if, as he was a wholesale Grocer, he went abroad on business, but as my subscription to Ancestry.co.uk does not include Ships Passengers Lists, I wondered if anyone could find him for me? I am also intrigued as to the "Backhouse" part of his name as it doesn't appear anywhere in the Johnson tree (that I can see). Regards Mike mike.johnson at johnpall.co.uk

I am speaking from personal experience, on my marriage certificate my husband is shown as previous marriage dissolved. He was divorced from his first wife Sharon Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

In my experience this type of name change before marriage is nothing to do having been divorced. A divorced woman can return to her birth name and generally uses her decree nisi as evidence rather than make a name change by deed poll. Name change deed poll was a way of holding the same name as the partner you were living with before marriage. This meant that you appeared on official documents such as electoral registers, bank and personal records as though you were married. If you google name change by deed poll you will get links to the national archives (you have to visit to check dates etc. as the index is not on line) and a number of sites giving clear explanations of the process etc. I think you are confusing annulment with dissolution. Dissolution is the term used to indicate that a couple has severed all ties after a divorce : Divorce (or the dissolution of marriage) is the final termination of a marital union, cancelling the legal duties and responsibilities of marriage and dissolving the bonds of matrimony between the parties (unlike annulment, which declares the marriage null and void). As such it is not limited to any particular religious faith. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Carol Lylyk Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:59 PM To: YORKSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Name change by Deed Poll My relative Pamela HALLERON, born 1948 in York married Roger Merchant (formerly Parker) in 1970. When I received the death certificate for her father who died in 1984 I noticed that informant was Pamela NICHOLSON, daughter. I found a marriage of a Kenneth Michael Nicholson and Pamela Nicholson on FreeBMD so sent for that certificate. It states that Pamela Nicholson (name changed by deed poll) and Kenneth Nicholson married in 1991 and that her marriage had been previously dissolved. I am wondering if there is any way of finding out when she had her name changed and why the marriage was dissolved. I thought at first that maybe they had been married in a Catholic church and that is why the term 'dissolved' was used but the first marriage was in a Church of England. The sad part of this saga is that she died 5 days later of cancer. I guess they decided to make it legal while there was still time. Carol Lylyk Calgary Canada ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is a term used on a marriage certificate which simply means she was divorced from her previous husband. Sharon Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android