Hi folks, It's 1.30pm on Thursday here in NZ (our daylight saving begins this weekend) . I just wanted to say how sorry I was to see on our midday news pictures of the flooding in Yorkshire. I hope everyone is ok. My thoughts go out to all those affected. Lorna Kay

Roy Interesting details of Colin's family history I have met him a few times or more correctly we were both attended the AGM of the National Association of Deafened People. I can tell you that Colin was a maths teacher at a school in Buckinghamshire until he lost his hearing and this resulted in him turning to writing. If he hadn't lost his hearing there may never have been any Morse books. Or they would have published later. Victor On 26/09/2012 3:25 PM, roy.stockdill@btinternet.com wrote: > Listers may be interested in my latest blog in the Famous family trees series at Findmypast > which is about the ancestry of the author Colin Dexter, the creator of Inspector Morse. > > I hope you will find this of interest because, though it doesn't involve Yorkshire, the project > was perhaps my most difficult to date because it illustrates to the novice family historian - and > even to an experienced genealogist such as myself - the dangers of just accepting > everything from the internet and ignoring conventional research! > > Initially, I got the wrong men as Colin Dexter's father and grandfather by identifying the wrong > person in the censuses. This was only uncovered when I obtained a number of BMD > certificates and found that an Alfred Dexter I thought was Colin's father was not the right man > because he didn't match with the named father on two marriage certificates. Eventually it > transpired that there were TWO Alfred Dexters of almost identical age at Oakham but one of > them had originally been born illegitimate in another name, in which he appeared in 1891, > and then, to compound the problem, though he had become Dexter in 1901 the name had > been mistranscribed. > > I hope readers will enjoy discovering how I eventually solved the problem with Morse-style > detective work and I hope the great man himself would be proud of me! > > The blog can be viewed at: > http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2012/09/famous-family-trees-colin-dexter/ > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are still some twin rooms available for next year's Yorksgen holiday at the racecourse in York. The dates are29th June to 10th July. These dates mean that we are there during the York family history fair which is also held at the racecourse. Please contact Janice to reserve a room. Chris

From: trisha walker <jackgeorgeisaac@yahoo.com> > Robert it is: > > http://www.red1st.com/ > > > > Personally I have never heard of them  > > Trisha > It may be large but it seems somewhat muddled to me. Besides finding the adverts hiding some of the material very annoying, I'm not sure I appreciate some of the biblical content. It also appears to me rather silly for the author (Adrian Oates) to clearly identify himself, then when you look at his family tree he gives his name only as "Living". That seems to me to be taking privacy to ridiculous lengths! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Nivard Like you am not going to bother to register. There are too many sites around and one can't keep track of them all. My bookmarks is long enough. As to red list. I would think it is a list of those footballers who have had a red card! Victor On 26/09/2012 5:26 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Victor > > By anonymous I meant their PR department could do with a little help > methinks > > If I and others have never heard of it, they have not done a very good > job of promoting their site have they :-) > > I am still wondering what red1st is supposed to mean, are they > communists perhaps <g> > > I just googled Adrian Oates genealogy > > I got > http://www.werelate.org/wiki/MySource:Denbk/Adrian_Oates > > Which seems to answer what the source is > > Genesreunited > > As to my registering to stop their infernal adverts....I don't think so! > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > On 26/09/2012 17:02, Victor Markham wrote: >> Hi Nivard >> >> The annoying adverts can be stopped if you register with them. >> >> In your other message about the site being anonymous. The site states it >> is being run by Adrian Oates and his team of 'gifted researchers' >> >> I looked at the place names for Hull. The list was meaningless to me. >> Just a list of locations. But what are these for? There is no explanation. >> >> If anyone has found incorrect details of families on any list I tend to >> leave them as I rarely get a response. But from time to time I do post a >> message of correction. The only correct information is always on my tree >> >> Victor > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Victor By anonymous I meant their PR department could do with a little help methinks If I and others have never heard of it, they have not done a very good job of promoting their site have they :-) I am still wondering what red1st is supposed to mean, are they communists perhaps <g> I just googled Adrian Oates genealogy I got http://www.werelate.org/wiki/MySource:Denbk/Adrian_Oates Which seems to answer what the source is Genesreunited As to my registering to stop their infernal adverts....I don't think so! Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2012 17:02, Victor Markham wrote: > Hi Nivard > > The annoying adverts can be stopped if you register with them. > > In your other message about the site being anonymous. The site states it > is being run by Adrian Oates and his team of 'gifted researchers' > > I looked at the place names for Hull. The list was meaningless to me. > Just a list of locations. But what are these for? There is no explanation. > > If anyone has found incorrect details of families on any list I tend to > leave them as I rarely get a response. But from time to time I do post a > message of correction. The only correct information is always on my tree > > Victor

Hi Nivard The annoying adverts can be stopped if you register with them. In your other message about the site being anonymous. The site states it is being run by Adrian Oates and his team of 'gifted researchers' I looked at the place names for Hull. The list was meaningless to me. Just a list of locations. But what are these for? There is no explanation. If anyone has found incorrect details of families on any list I tend to leave them as I rarely get a response. But from time to time I do post a message of correction. The only correct information is always on my tree Victor On 26/09/2012 4:27 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Lois > > Frankly I have never heard of it, I had a quick roam around it but find > its just another site with names in > > It does have a lot of very annoying adverts though > > What is red1st supposed to mean I wonder? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 26/09/2012 15:52, Lois B. wrote: >> Will some kind soul on the appropriate side of the pond please fill >> me in regarding the above site? >> >> I came across it by accident recently while randomly googling some of >> my family names (you never know what you'll turn up!) and it's a huge >> site with a wealth of photos, history, and a large database of names >> and dates. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Likewise Trisha They seem to have done a remarkably good job of staying anonymous <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2012 16:25, trisha walker wrote: > Robert it is: > > http://www.red1st.com/ > > > > Personally I have never heard of them > > Trisha

Hi Lois Frankly I have never heard of it, I had a quick roam around it but find its just another site with names in It does have a lot of very annoying adverts though What is red1st supposed to mean I wonder? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/09/2012 15:52, Lois B. wrote: > Will some kind soul on the appropriate side of the pond please fill > me in regarding the above site? > > I came across it by accident recently while randomly googling some of > my family names (you never know what you'll turn up!) and it's a huge > site with a wealth of photos, history, and a large database of names > and dates.

Listers may be interested in my latest blog in the Famous family trees series at Findmypast which is about the ancestry of the author Colin Dexter, the creator of Inspector Morse. I hope you will find this of interest because, though it doesn't involve Yorkshire, the project was perhaps my most difficult to date because it illustrates to the novice family historian - and even to an experienced genealogist such as myself - the dangers of just accepting everything from the internet and ignoring conventional research! Initially, I got the wrong men as Colin Dexter's father and grandfather by identifying the wrong person in the censuses. This was only uncovered when I obtained a number of BMD certificates and found that an Alfred Dexter I thought was Colin's father was not the right man because he didn't match with the named father on two marriage certificates. Eventually it transpired that there were TWO Alfred Dexters of almost identical age at Oakham but one of them had originally been born illegitimate in another name, in which he appeared in 1891, and then, to compound the problem, though he had become Dexter in 1901 the name had been mistranscribed. I hope readers will enjoy discovering how I eventually solved the problem with Morse-style detective work and I hope the great man himself would be proud of me! The blog can be viewed at: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2012/09/famous-family-trees-colin-dexter/ -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

What page are you on about? Rob -----Original Message----- From: Lois B. <loisgen@yahoo.com> To: yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:52 pm Subject: [YORKSGEN] red1st Will some kind soul on the appropriate side of the pond please fill me in regarding the above site? I came across it by accident recently while randomly googling some of my family names (you never know what you'll turn up!) and it's a huge site with a wealth of photos, history, and a large database of names and dates. In some ways I like it but what I definitely did not appreciate was my family's names and dates listed--and listed incorrectly. I can tell that some of the information was my own from GenesReunited. Some was the result of someone else's "research." The name of the submitter was attached and the person is no relation to me. I wrote and asked that my family information be corrected. They wrote back and asked if I'd like to add my own name because they want to get as many people as they can. So I told them NO, I would never add any living person (last time I looked I was still living) to an online data base. It's a matter of personal privacy and potential identity theft. I was aware that anything on the internet is public property but I innocently thought it was an unwritten law that we respect people's privacy. I would gladly share my family information with anyone who contacts me personally and has a reason for wanting to know, such as a connection, but even then, I wouldn't expect them to spread it all over the internet. Maybe I'm just over-reacting, maybe I'm just venting, maybe I'm turning into a curmudgeon. Will someone set me straight, please? Best regards, Lois Blackburn Massachusetts, USA Blackurn in Shelf-1800s and before. Murgatroyd. Sugden. Oates. Rollinson in York-1800s. ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert it is: http://www.red1st.com/ Personally I have never heard of them  Trisha  ________________________________ From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> To: loisgen@yahoo.com; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 26 September 2012, 16:07 Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] red1st What page are you on about? Rob -----Original Message----- From: Lois B. <loisgen@yahoo.com> To: yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:52 pm Subject: [YORKSGEN] red1st Will some kind soul on the appropriate side of the pond please fill me in regarding the above site? I came across it by accident recently while randomly googling some of my family names (you never know what you'll turn up!) and it's a huge site with a wealth of photos, history, and a large database of names and dates. In some ways I like it but what I definitely did not appreciate was my family's names and dates listed--and listed incorrectly.    I can tell that some of the information was my own from GenesReunited.    Some was the result of someone else's "research."  The name of the submitter was attached and the person is no relation to me.  I wrote and asked that my family information be corrected.  They wrote back and asked if I'd like to add my own name because they want to get as many people as they can.  So I told them NO, I would never add any living person (last time I looked I was still living) to an online data base.  It's a matter of personal privacy and potential identity theft.  I was aware that anything on the internet is public property but I innocently thought it was an unwritten law that we respect people's privacy.  I would gladly share my family information with anyone who contacts me personally and has a reason for wanting to know, such as a connection, but even then, I wouldn't expect them to spread it all over the internet.  Maybe I'm just over-reacting, maybe I'm just venting, maybe I'm turning into a curmudgeon.  Will someone set me straight, please? Best regards, Lois Blackburn Massachusetts, USA Blackurn in Shelf-1800s and before.  Murgatroyd.  Sugden.  Oates.  Rollinson in York-1800s.  ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Will some kind soul on the appropriate side of the pond please fill me in regarding the above site? I came across it by accident recently while randomly googling some of my family names (you never know what you'll turn up!) and it's a huge site with a wealth of photos, history, and a large database of names and dates. In some ways I like it but what I definitely did not appreciate was my family's names and dates listed--and listed incorrectly.     I can tell that some of the information was my own from GenesReunited.    Some was the result of someone else's "research."   The name of the submitter was attached and the person is no relation to me.  I wrote and asked that my family information be corrected.  They wrote back and asked if I'd like to add my own name because they want to get as many people as they can.   So I told them NO, I would never add any living person (last time I looked I was still living) to an online data base.   It's a matter of personal privacy and potential identity theft.  I was aware that anything on the internet is public property but I innocently thought it was an unwritten law that we respect people's privacy.   I would gladly share my family information with anyone who contacts me personally and has a reason for wanting to know, such as a connection, but even then, I wouldn't expect them to spread it all over the internet.   Maybe I'm just over-reacting, maybe I'm just venting, maybe I'm turning into a curmudgeon.   Will someone set me straight, please? Best regards, Lois Blackburn Massachusetts, USA Blackurn in Shelf-1800s and before.  Murgatroyd.  Sugden.  Oates.  Rollinson in York-1800s. 

check Representation of the People Act it was not jobs: The terms of the act were:[2] All adult males gain the vote, as long as they are 21 years old or over and are resident in the constituency Women over 30 years old receive the vote but they have to be either a member or married to a member of the Local Government Register Some seats redistributed to industrial towns Elections to be held on a decided day each year Membership of the Local Government Register was based on the right to vote through property ownership or marriage to a man who owned property. The age was set at 30 as the loss of men in the War meant that putting the women's voting age at 21 would have given them a majority Lots of material on the web Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Robert Burns Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 2:30 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Occupations that gave voting rights Does anyone on list know of any website that lists jobs that allowed women the right to vote between 1918 and 1925 please Rob ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for ideas. In 1911 according to electoral rolls Tom SPOONER was allowed to vote due to occupation at Nags head Yard Doncaster. I find him there until 1915 when the voters register was not collected. When they restart his sister in law my great great grandmother as the same voting right. He was born circa 1868 at Chesterfield Derbyshire I have him in all census but the 1911 census. His sister in law my gg grandmother Elizabeth GAGING was born circa 1872. She marries in 1890 to John SPOONER. They have three children Elizabeth Maria, Matilda and George. George the youngest was born 1896 and in 1898 the three of the children are to be found in the Workhouse at Nottingham. The entry books show that Elizabeth abandoned them and John was now in Prison (not that I can find any proof other than this admission register). Elizabeth is next seen onn a death cert of her father in Doncaster in 1909. According to the death cert she is Elizabeth Burns however no marriage exists. She cannot be found on the 1911 census. Then in 1924 she remarries a George Henry Pearce and uses her married name of SPOONER which suggests she was never married to a BURNS. To complicate things further George GAGING Elizabeth's father used to change his surname to that of his wife's maiden name from time to time. He was a hawker and I did wonder if this was to hide from people he sold to. So to cut a long story short, Where the hell was Elizabeth from 1896 to 1909 and again from 1909 to 1918. Why is Tom (he was named Tom not Thomas) listed on voters registers in Doncaster but no where to be seen on census night? Rob

Does anyone on list know of any website that lists jobs that allowed women the right to vote between 1918 and 1925 please Rob

A member of the list has very kindly helped with this. It looks as though he named the child of his second marriage after his first wife. John Lindley NRY

Hi John He is of this Parish No occupation mentioned which is not unusual They married by licence so if you can find that it may give a little more She was also of this Parish witnesses Elizabeth WHITELEY & Matthew WILKINSON Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/09/2012 22:32, John Lindley wrote: > > Hi > > Can anyone tell me if James Livesey who married Sophia Whiteley at > Peter's Leeds 05 Mar 1771 was a clothworker ‘of this parish’, and if > possible who the witnesses were? > > Any help appreciated > > John Lindley NRY

Hi Can anyone tell me if James Livesey who married Sophia Whiteley at Peter's Leeds 05 Mar 1771 was a clothworker ‘of this parish’, and if possible who the witnesses were? Any help appreciated John Lindley NRY

Thanks so much for posting those instructions, Magdalena. Very timely in my case as I have 3 new surnames to post after finally going through my mother's family history research which I took possession of a year ago. Previously I'd thought that I only had Yorkshire ancestors on my Dad's side. But no! Back in the 1700's my COUSINS line and that of their wives (ECLES & HARRIS) originated in the Northallerton area. More graveyards to explore on my next trip to the UK....hopefully next year. After submitting my DNA for the mtDNA testing I decided to do some searching on the matriarchal lines. Very interesting. Especially since that line seems to lead me to France. I'd not been aware of that previous to the mtDNA test. I had thought that my search would lead me to Scotland, but, of course, the Jacobite factor might change things. Thanks again. Edna