Hi Colin No inmates or paupers listed under the civil parish of Breighton or Bubwith and no institutions listed under either There are some institutions under Howden which I presume would be the nearest larger place I checked for any paupers or inmates born in Breighton and found nonw listed Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2012 13:35, Colin B. Withers wrote: > Hi all, > > some years ago I transcribed the 1851 census for the township of Breighton, in the parish of Bubwith, in the East Riding, from photocopies the record office provided me with. > > It has been brought to my attention that a map dated around that time records some poorhouses in Breighton, but these do not show up in any of the photocopies I received. > > I then seemed to remember that Institutions were listed separately in censuses. > > Could sks please check if Breighton did have any institutions listed separately from the main township or parish return. > > Thanks in advance > > Colin

The drop down menu on Ancestry shows only Breighton - 11 pages - and Bubwith - 31 pages- no institutions on either and nothing separate. Jean On 29 September 2012 13:35, Colin B. Withers <Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int> wrote: > > Hi all, > > some years ago I transcribed the 1851 census for the township of > Breighton, in the parish of Bubwith, in the East Riding, from photocopies > the record office provided me with. > > It has been brought to my attention that a map dated around that time > records some poorhouses in Breighton, but these do not show up in any of the > photocopies I received. > > I then seemed to remember that Institutions were listed separately in > censuses. > > Could sks please check if Breighton did have any institutions listed > separately from the main township or parish return. > > Thanks in advance > > Colin > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Today I have uploaded extracts from the Churchwardens' Accounts, 1776-1850 for the parish of Aughton, in the East Riding. Not as littered with names as Overseers of the Poor Accounts, the Churchwardens' Accounts provide a tantalising glimpse of life in the parish. The accounts inform us, for example, that ale, bread and wine, were claimed each Noverber the 5th (bonfire night) as well as bell ringing. That the cleaning of the church and the washing of church linen were often undertook by a poorer parishioner, which brought in much needed extra cash. There were also expenses for repairs to the church stable. I had never thought about this, so I guess it was an early form of church car-park! Local tradesmen were mentioned frequently, as they provided the bricks, tiles, mortar, lime etc for the repairs to the church. Claims were made for the time taken to write up the accounts, and for writing the terriers, briefs, compiling census returns, and various parish taxes. The income of the parish was also itemised, giving details of charitable bequests to the parish, and the bank interest that such bequests generated. The income from the leasing of church land was given, and occasional notes of new leases being granted. Have a look, and if interesting see what exists for your parish of interest. Cheers Colin http://www.aughton.info/people/parish-records/churchwardens-accounts.html

Marriage -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:01 AM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 434 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Why change faith (Mollie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:49:59 +0100 (BST) From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com>, "yorksgen@rootsweb.com" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1348901399.4254.YahooMailNeo@web29505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish relief.? This was administered by the C of E.? ________________________________ From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012, 23:58 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Does anyone have in their tree a married couple having their first children christened in one denomination and then more christened in another? I have found that between 1812 and 1820 ancestors of mine baptised or registered their children in what is now the Zion Baptish Church at Bramley when they lived in Woodhouse yet from 1828 they baptised the remaining children at the local Anglican church.? I am trying to fathom a reason for this other than a change of heart in the denomination of church they used Rob ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the YORKSGEN list administrator, send an email to YORKSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the YORKSGEN mailing list, send an email to YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 434 ****************************************

The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish relief.  This was administered by the C of E.  ________________________________ From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012, 23:58 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Does anyone have in their tree a married couple having their first children christened in one denomination and then more christened in another? I have found that between 1812 and 1820 ancestors of mine baptised or registered their children in what is now the Zion Baptish Church at Bramley when they lived in Woodhouse yet from 1828 they baptised the remaining children at the local Anglican church.  I am trying to fathom a reason for this other than a change of heart in the denomination of church they used Rob ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have in their tree a married couple having their first children christened in one denomination and then more christened in another? I have found that between 1812 and 1820 ancestors of mine baptised or registered their children in what is now the Zion Baptish Church at Bramley when they lived in Woodhouse yet from 1828 they baptised the remaining children at the local Anglican church. I am trying to fathom a reason for this other than a change of heart in the denomination of church they used Rob

I can think of all kinds of reasons. Here are some: They didn't like the new Preacher/Rector/Vicar. The Anglican church, though less to their taste, was nearer to home The services were shorter. An Anglican baptism was necessary for some career choices particularly government jobs. They'd fallen out with another parishioner. They'd made good friends with folks who attended the Anglican church. The mother-in-law disapproved of the non-conformism and insisted that her grandchildren were properly baptised. I'm sure there are plenty more potential reasons. Best wishes, Irene

One of the main reasons people change denominations is that they disagree with some of the basic tenets of a particular denomination. There is a pretty big difference between Anglican and Baptist but usually people go the other direction as Baptists tend to be a bit more evangelical. My great-grandfather from Bilsdale area changed from Anglican to Catholic but I'm almost sure it's because of his teaching position in Hawaii. He was a teacher in Yorkshire but to teach at the Catholic Mission in Hawaii he probably had to convert. B -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Burns Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:59 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Does anyone have in their tree a married couple having their first children christened in one denomination and then more christened in another? I have found that between 1812 and 1820 ancestors of mine baptised or registered their children in what is now the Zion Baptish Church at Bramley when they lived in Woodhouse yet from 1828 they baptised the remaining children at the local Anglican church. I am trying to fathom a reason for this other than a change of heart in the denomination of church they used Rob ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning everyone.  I have a Yorkshire friend who parents were father C of E, mother Catholic.  The first 3 children were baptised in the Catholic church but mother had a falling out with the priest over something or other and never went back to that church/faith again.... The following 3 children were baptised C of E.  The whole family worhsipped in C of E church after that... This was relatively recently in the 1930's 1940's. She obviously felt very strongly about whatever it was..... ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW --- On Sat, 29/9/12, Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> wrote: From: Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Received: Saturday, 29 September, 2012, 8:58 AM Does anyone have in their tree a married couple having their first children christened in one denomination and then more christened in another? I have found that between 1812 and 1820 ancestors of mine baptised or registered their children in what is now the Zion Baptish Church at Bramley when they lived in Woodhouse yet from 1828 they baptised the remaining children at the local Anglican church.  I am trying to fathom a reason for this other than a change of heart in the denomination of church they used Rob ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all A recent study I did  revealed an interesting twist associated with the surname of an illegitimate child. Circa 1940 the papers of a deceased  elderly spinster were being dealt with. As far as her niece was concerned she had always been known as  Elsie May Crowther - the same surname that her parents were known by. However amongst her papers was a passport in the name of Elsie May Crowther Morrison - no one could say where the Morrison name came from. However it was not too difficult to work out and is perhaps best understood by starting from the birth of a child in 1856: 1856: Birth of William Crowther Morrison registered (Freebmd) and followed by a baptism record "William son of Mary Morrison, spinster" (Ancestry, Baptism register) 1858: Mary Morrison marries Joseph Crowther ( Ancestry, Marriage Register) 1861 census: Family of Joseph and Mary Crowther includes William Crowther, son. (Ancestry) 1871 census: Family of Joseph and Mary Crowther includes William C M Crowther, son. (Ancestry) 1881 census: Family of Joseph and Mary Crowther includes W C Morrison, son (Ancestry)   May 1881: William Crowther Morrison (father not named) marries Emily Crossland ( Ancestry, Marriage Register) July 1882: Arthur, son of William Crowther and Emily, Morrison baptised (Ancestry, Baptism register) 1891 census: William and Emily Crowther have three sons in their family.(Ancestry) 1901 census:  William and Emily Crowther and family, inc son Arthur (Ancestry) Sept 1909: Arthur Crowther Morrison, father William Crowther Morrison, marries Thebais Saville ( Ancestry, Marriage Register) 1911 census: Arthur and Thebais Crowther are together. Sept qtr 1911:Birth of Elsie M C. Morrison, mothers maiden name: Saville registered (Freebmd) Mar qtr 1924: the death of William C Morrison is registered but the following probate was in the name of William Crowther. So in this case the illigitamate child, apparently given his fathers surname as a middle name, was given his mothers surname. However, both he and succeeding generations appear to drop the childs birth surname except on selected official occasions. Regards Roger Family History Research: GILL, BERRY, CHARLESWORTH, ROBINSON and many others in the Holme Valley, south of Huddersfield. http://rogergill.me.uk

Over the years I have asked questions regarding George Ingam his father John and his sister Esther to which many have offered up many suggestions some of which were correct others that were not. I last night managed to break this down armed with the west Yrks PR's being on Ancestry. Now we have more problems lol. What I know for certain is that George INGHAM was the son of John INGHAM a mason as per his wedding cert. I know in 1861 census he was living with his Aunt Esther HAYES nee INGHAM. Her marriage record shows her as the daughter of Joseph INGHAM. In 1841 she and John are living with their mother Maria and William INGHAM. Maria remarried another INGHAM after Joseph's death. On that census William and John are listed as Delvers which is another term for a ditch cutter. According to baptism records, there only being one that fits what I know George was the son of John and Elizabeth and was christened at St Mark's Woodhouse which fits what I knew from census (and assuming Census is correct). It also shows John to be a quarry man. Whilst its been postulated that in 1851 George is with his mother listed as a lodger in a DUFFIELD household and one I am starting to believe is the correct entry. The only problem with this is that I read the mother Elizabeth being unmarried. There is however another entry for John Ingham married and living with an Elizabeth plus 3 other children. These were all christened at Woodhouse. John is listed as a quarry man which in my eyes would fit with George claiming he was a mason on the marriage cert. Also to this end John and Elizabeth are listed as being born at Yeadon on the 1851 census and on the 1861 at Rawdon which is nr Yeadon. A search of the parish registers shows a marriage of John INGHAM to Elizabeth DUFFIELD 1846. John gives his father as William and both occupations are Delver's. I therefore believe I have the right marriage as this fits with what I know from 1841 census although I also know Joseph is his father. Therefore if I am right and the 1851 entry for George is the correct George it would mean that I either have the wrong John or that Elizabeth is enumerated twice. What are the listers thoughts on this? If anyone recognises this tree and is related I would be very eager to discuss this further Rob ps my thanks to all who have helped me with this over the years

Hi All, I know we are all aware that when literacy wasn't so widespread as today that some churches used 'professional' witnesses. This morning I have been scouring the online images of the above church looking for my INGHAM line (I managed to smash a 6 yr brick wall last night) and on the 16th Jan 1809 4 marriages on one page shows Robert Hargrave being one witness as three of the marriages, Joseph Smales two, the others being different. Now what interests me further is the fact these two witnesses change their signature between marriages. Anyway if at the turn of the 19th century your ancestors married here and you were trying to work out how these two people fitted into your family or were using them to try and prove family connections you now have a better idea Rob

My thanks to Margaret for the image it is very much appreciated Rob

Copy sent to Robert Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Burns" <famh1story@aim.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:26 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] FMP lookup please > Hey all, > > I have just been checking the 1861 census for William INGHAM born circa > 1796 in the Leeds area. I found one in Halifax which looks a good > possibility but the image that appears on Ancestry is the example page at > the front of the enumerators book and wondered if someone could copy me > the details or better still a copy of the image please. The details other > than the name are RG 9; Piece: 3280; Folio: 8; Page: 12 > > Thanks > > Rob > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5793 - Release Date: 09/26/12 >

Hey all, I have just been checking the 1861 census for William INGHAM born circa 1796 in the Leeds area. I found one in Halifax which looks a good possibility but the image that appears on Ancestry is the example page at the front of the enumerators book and wondered if someone could copy me the details or better still a copy of the image please. The details other than the name are RG 9; Piece: 3280; Folio: 8; Page: 12 Thanks Rob

From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Hi Colin > > In theory at least > > From 1874 on, for the father to be included in the registration, > he needed to attend the registration, the mother could not name the > father and it be recorded if he was not present > Quite true, but in my experience unmarried women who had a child and were a bit canny often gave a strong clue to the child's paternity by giving it the surname of the father as a middle name. I have very recently myself made such a discovery and you can read about it in my latest "Famous family trees" blog at Findmypast. My latest subject is Colin Dextor, the creator of Inspector Morse, whose father Alfred Dexter proved to be a real problem in identifying. Initially I got the wrong people as the author's father and grandfather because I could find only one Alfred Dexter in the censuses at Oakham, Rutland, who appeared to fit. Fortunately, I obtained his marriage certificate to Colin Dexter's mother and this showed a different man as the father to the one I originally thought it was. I ended up getting more certificates of Alfred's first marriage, his birth, the marriage of his mother to the man who was his father and also his father's death. It turned out that Alfred Dexter was born illegitimate in 1886 as Alfred Dexter Preston, registered by his mother with no father on the birth certificate. A few months later Alfred's mother, Alice Emma Preston, married the father, John Henry Dexter, who then died a couple of years later at only 25. For the full story see: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2012/09/famous-family-trees-colin-dexter/ -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Colin In theory at least From 1874 on, for the father to be included in the registration, he needed to attend the registration, the mother could not name the father and it be recorded if he was not present If they were married either could register and enter details If they were not married only the mother could register and in her name, unless the father also attended the registration and if he did would also be required to sign the register So in theory, if married only one (either) signed the registration, if unmarried and both attended both would sign But as proof of marriage & name is a relevantly recent phenomenon, if the mother turned up and registered the child, stating she and the father were married, how would the registrar prove otherwise? would the mothers word be taken if she stated her case in a believable way? Probably IMHO From the late 1920's (1927?) there were new measures brought in that midwives kept a register of births and notified the registrar, so there was a better way of checking and less chance the mother could make up details and the registrar could chase up non registration Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/09/2012 16:25, Colin B. Withers wrote: > When a woman had a baby born out of wedlock in the 1920s, did the > mother have the freedom to register the child using the surname of > the father (if she provided it)? Or was she obliged to register the > child in her own surname? > > Colin

When a woman had a baby born out of wedlock in the 1920s, did the mother have the freedom to register the child using the surname of the father (if she provided it)? Or was she obliged to register the child in her own surname? Colin

Free this weekend. HTH Andy.

Hi, I am helping a relative track down her Northern Ireland mother's parents, and would appreciate it if anyone can suggest some sources/links. Basically, her grandmother, Helen Marie Power(s) was born in June 1929, Holywood, County Down. All she knows is that her grandmother was handed, as a baby, to a woman outside a Post Office ('would you hold her for a minute while I go in here') then disappeared. The woman (left holding the proverbial baby), was called Ethel, and she called the police. She was told by the police to keep the baby for a while. After 6 months Ethel was told to either keep her permanently or hand her to an Orphanage, so she kept her. She believes her grandmother's parents names were Eva Taylor and Michael Powers, but a lot of info, were unfortunately lost in a house fire. To recap: Helen Marie Powers born June 1929, Holywood, County Down, Believed parents of Helen were Eva Taylor and Michael Powers Helen raised by a lady called Ethel. We don't know how Helen knew the names of her parents, as she is now deceased and her documentation was lost in a house-fire Not a lot to go on, I know, but I am hopeful someone will provide a lead :) Colin