Roy is right. My family were all C of E, but when we moved house I was sent to the local Methodist Sunday School, just because it was near and convenient. Colin -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM To: Robert Burns; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish > relief.  This was administered by the C of E.  > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons when the truth is actually much simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was in Ottawa last June meeting my cousins for the first time. The cousin drove me round the area and we passed a Roman Catholic school. She told me her grand children attend that school even though are not Catholics. They were able to attend because they were good at French. All the areas of Canada, with two exceptions they use dual French and English every where. The two exceptions are Quebec which will not allow English signs. But go into a hotel or restaurant they understood my English. The other exception is Nova Scotia which sticks to English only. Some of the town signs do have an alternative translations...in Gaelic! Victor On 01/10/2012 2:18 PM, Colin B. Withers wrote: > Roy is right. > > My family were all C of E, but when we moved house I was sent to the local Methodist Sunday School, just because it was near and convenient. > > Colin > > -----Original Message----- > From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM > To: Robert Burns; yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith > > From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > >> The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish >> relief. This was administered by the C of E. > > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by > Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people > were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often > wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. > > Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the > husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to > have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? > > I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, > they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel > was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons > when the truth is actually much simpler! > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could it also sometimes be advantageous to have the same denomination as a potential employer? Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk

From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish > relief.  This was administered by the C of E.  > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons when the truth is actually much simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Colin, As I said to Roy privately I would normally agree however in this case the established church was much nearer than the Baptist church the first 4 were registered with. Its not important I was just trying to put ideas into my head Rob -----Original Message----- From: Colin B. Withers <Colin.Withers@eumetsat.int> To: 'roy.stockdill@btinternet.com' <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com>; Robert Burns <famh1story@aim.com>; yorksgen <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:18 pm Subject: RE: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith Roy is right. My family were all C of E, but when we moved house I was sent to the local Methodist Sunday School, just because it was near and convenient. Colin -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of roy.stockdill@btinternet.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:43 PM To: Robert Burns; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Why change faith From: Mollie <molliemln@yahoo.co.uk> > The likely reason would be that the family were in need of Parish > relief. This was administered by the C of E. > That is certainly one reason. However, if you have ever heard a lecture or read articles by Mike Gandy, one of the leading UK experts on Nonconformism, he would tell you that people were changing faiths and "dropping in and out" of various denominations all the time. It often wasn't a hard and fast and unchangeable ruling. Consider, for instance, the fact that a married couple might have different faiths! Perhaps the husband was CoE and the wife Methodist. Might they not have come to an agreement to have some of the children baptised into one church and others in another? I can think of other reasons. If they weren't particularly devout or steadfast in their religion, they might have found it convenient to have children baptised in whichever church or chapel was the nearest when they moved home. We shouldn't always look for complicated reasons when the truth is actually much simpler! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, Herewith the latest update information for the YKS Surnames List. Many thanks to everyone who asked me to update their submission(s) and/or their email and/or website information. Deleted because of bouncing: Ray Walton (11) raywalton4@bigpond.com New submissions: BAYNE, BINGHAM, BLANSHARD GALVIN IMESON SHEPHEARD THWAITE Regards to all, Magdalena -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* YKS SURNAMES LIST Administrator ykssurnames@yahoo.com http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net <http://aiic.net%20>

Hi all, Quick question. Woodhouse and Woodhouse Carr would come under which Leeds registration district? I have checked Genuki and google but cannot find a definitive answer. I have a burial date for John INGHAM but there are two deaths in the right year. One under Wortley and one under just Leeds To the person who suggested on my previous query that he may have died my thanks Rob

I have found Frank Carr Grange on the 1901 census.for registration district Knaresborough , subdistrict Harrogate ,as a boarder in the household. There is no address ,how can I find out the addrss where he is living, also would like to know if his Mother Elizabeth Grange of Starbeck , Knaresborough is on the 1901 census.as I can't find a daeth date for her. Franks father James Grange died 1899. Thank you for any help. Kevynne

Trish Merchant Seamen records are now available on Ancestry.co.uk so if you aren't a member I'm sure someone would be happy to do a look up for you if you give us more information. Cheers Louise -----Original Message----- From: CHRISTINE WILLOTT Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:26 PM To: Trish Michael ; YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Kew soon? Probably not Yorkshireconnected. The NRA have made a useful podcast on tracing merchant seamen. http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/tracing-merchant-seamen-1857-1918/ there is also a useful book in the My Ancestor Was... series on merchant seamen. The records for merchant seamen at Kew are difficult. The Kew staff are aware that they hold a lot, but it is not accessible easily so are seeking to digitalise the records. Chris ________________________________ From: Trish Michael <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012, 23:22 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Kew soon? Probably not Yorkshire connected. Morning all. I am trying to help a friend with her research and we've come across a brick wall fairly early on in her research. One of her relatives was a merchant seaman, not at home on 2 census nights and died in 1860. The couple married in 1831 so marriage details porbably won't help. One of the records I am hoping might shed some light on his POB and DOB are the merchant's seamen records held at Kew. If anyone is going there in the near future I would certainly appreciate a look up. I have the relevant catalogue numbers. Many tia's. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The NRA have made a useful podcast on tracing merchant seamen. http://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/tracing-merchant-seamen-1857-1918/ there is also a useful book in the My Ancestor Was... series on merchant seamen. The records for merchant seamen at Kew are difficult. The Kew staff are aware that they hold a lot, but it is not accessible easily so are seeking to digitalise the records. Chris ________________________________ From: Trish Michael <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 29 September 2012, 23:22 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Kew soon? Probably not Yorkshire connected. Morning all.  I am trying to help a friend with her research and we've come across a brick wall fairly early on in her research.  One of her relatives was a merchant seaman, not at home on 2  census nights and died in 1860.  The couple married in 1831 so marriage details porbably won't help. One of the records I am hoping might shed some light on his POB and DOB are the merchant's seamen records held at Kew.  If anyone is going there in the near future I would certainly appreciate a look up.  I have the relevant catalogue numbers. Many tia's. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In response to the query below, some of these records are now available on Ancestry. Kind regards Margaret In Oxford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Trish Michael <gosford17@yahoo.com.au> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Is anyone going to Kew soon? Probably not Yorkshire connected. To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1348957352.73951.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Morning all.? I am trying to help a friend with her research and we've come across a brick wall fairly early on in her research.? One of her relatives was a merchant seaman, not at home on 2? census nights and died in 1860.? The couple married in 1831 so marriage details porbably won't help. One of the records I am hoping might shed some light on his POB and DOB are the merchant's seamen records held at Kew.? If anyone is going there in the near future I would certainly appreciate a look up.? I have the relevant catalogue numbers. Many tia's. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW

His mother is on the line above him also a boarder, age 70, born Hutton Bushel, Scarbro. No occupation given. The address is quite clear: 2 Albert Buildings. The next entry on the census is 1 Albert Grove which is a turning off High Street, Starbeck. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Lynne Hyde Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:05 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] 1901 census I have found Frank Carr Grange on the 1901 census.for registration district Knaresborough , subdistrict Harrogate ,as a boarder in the household. There is no address ,how can I find out the addrss where he is living, also would like to know if his Mother Elizabeth Grange of Starbeck , Knaresborough is on the 1901 census.as I can't find a daeth date for her. Franks father James Grange died 1899. Thank you for any help. Kevynne ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I'll send the image to you. I'm guessing you've not seen the full image as the address is listed on the form. Elizabeth Grange, 70, widow, boarder, born looks like Seaburn? but in very tiny writing Hutton Bushell, (and then Ancestry has Scarborough on the transcription) Yorkshire and Frank C Grange, 35, married, railway clerk, born Leeds are both living at 2 Albert Buildings in Starbeck, Harrogate. The next address along is Albert Grove so you may be able to use Google maps and street view to find the location. Ancestry has him listed as Frank A Grange - I think someone has mistaken the C for a rounded a. The head of the household is 63 year old Francis Smith a furniture remover along with his wife Fanny a second hand furniture dealer. I can't find an Elizabeth Grange in Harrogate in the 1911 census but there is an Elizabeth Grange in Knaresborough workhouse, widow, age 75, born Pickering. Knaresborough is just down the road from Starbeck if you know the area at all. She is described as a parent but it doesn't give details of how many children she had. Perhaps the workhouse authorities guessed at her age but someone who knew better (perhaps her son) registered her death with the correct age. I tried searching for just Elizabeth Grange born Yorkshire and the only other EG in that area and of similar age is a farmer's widow in Patley Bridge who is listed there on the 1901 census so we can eliminate her. Elizabeth Grange. Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1912 Age at Death: 82 Registration district: Knaresborough Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9a Page: 99 the death certificate would show where she was living 1911 Frank Carr Grange is living in London where he is the officer in charge of a registered boarding house. He's described as single there which might mean a mistake on the 1901 census. Will send that image too best wishes Jane - wishing the sun would shine! -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Lynne Hyde Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:05 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] 1901 census I have found Frank Carr Grange on the 1901 census.for registration district Knaresborough , subdistrict Harrogate ,as a boarder in the household. There is no address ,how can I find out the addrss where he is living, also would like to know if his Mother Elizabeth Grange of Starbeck , Knaresborough is on the 1901 census.as I can't find a daeth date for her. Franks father James Grange died 1899. Thank you for any help. Kevynne ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

we need dates and places of birth in order to help with your enquiry about your mother. -----Original Message----- From: Kevin & Lynne Hyde Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 5:05 AM To: YORKSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: [YORKSGEN] 1901 census I have found Frank Carr Grange on the 1901 census.for registration district Knaresborough , subdistrict Harrogate ,as a boarder in the household. There is no address ,how can I find out the addrss where he is living, also would like to know if his Mother Elizabeth Grange of Starbeck , Knaresborough is on the 1901 census.as I can't find a daeth date for her. Franks father James Grange died 1899. Thank you for any help. Kevynne ..... Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure why you can't find the address which is 2 Albert Buildings, Harrogate Also that Elizabeth GRANGE is with him aged 70 born Hutton Bushel (sic) Scarbro' Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/09/2012 05:05, Kevin & Lynne Hyde wrote: > I have found Frank Carr Grange on the 1901 census.for registration > district Knaresborough , subdistrict Harrogate ,as a boarder in the > household. There is no address ,how can I find out the addrss where > he is living, also would like to know if his Mother Elizabeth Grange > of Starbeck , Knaresborough is on the 1901 census.as I can't find a > daeth date for her. Franks father James Grange died 1899. Thank you > for any help. Kevynne

Hello Renee Frederick Henry's apprenticeship as a Printer is no guarantee that he remained in that occupation. In Hull he might very easily have become a seaman/trawlerman, so he could have been at sea on census day both times. My husband's great-grandfather was a seaman from Hull and he is seldom with the family on census night. Regards Joan Willcock Tauranga, NZ ------------------ On 29/09/2012 6:14 p.m., Renee Redshaw wrote: > Goodmorning Listers, > > After many moons am back asking Yorkshire questions by redoing > late husband's mother F.H. - needs it all round as my file tells me > it was originally done1994! Also getting a very old lady - better > do it now! > > All took place within the Hull/Beverley area of East Riding. > The mother was one Dora Carmen Sylvia HEATON, Frederick Henry > was her father. I have a problem with him as cannot find him on1901 > or 1911 Census, his death did not occur until 1926 so I know he was > still about! He married Rebecca Brown July 1891, and for the 1901 > and 1911 census she is a boarder with her 2 daughters at 13 Fish > Street Humber Hull and 1911 is "Head" of her home at 33 Manchester > Street, Hull. No mention of her being widowed of course. So where is > the wayward Frederick Henry, On his father James Census earlier > when he is 19 he is apprenticed to a printer. > > As Rebecc appears to be fending for herself as a dressmaker, Frederick > seems to be missing for two lots of census - so many years. > > I would be grateful for any suggestions of what may have happened, I > have only checked the Beverley Workhouse - the only reason being that > Fredk Henry was born there (on 1871 census) when he was 9 yrs and > a scholar. > > Kind Regards. > Renee Oz. > ..... > Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; > www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; > www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5297 - Release Date: 09/28/12 > >

Dear Colin I've just looked on my 1851 map of Breighton and it does say Poor Houses opposite the end of Ferry Lane but I suspect they were just a few cottages for poor people, rather than some sort of institution. Yvonne in Stillingfleet

Goodmorning Listers, After many moons am back asking Yorkshire questions by redoing late husband's mother F.H. - needs it all round as my file tells me it was originally done1994! Also getting a very old lady - better do it now! All took place within the Hull/Beverley area of East Riding. The mother was one Dora Carmen Sylvia HEATON, Frederick Henry was her father. I have a problem with him as cannot find him on1901 or 1911 Census, his death did not occur until 1926 so I know he was still about! He married Rebecca Brown July 1891, and for the 1901 and 1911 census she is a boarder with her 2 daughters at 13 Fish Street Humber Hull and 1911 is "Head" of her home at 33 Manchester Street, Hull. No mention of her being widowed of course. So where is the wayward Frederick Henry, On his father James Census earlier when he is 19 he is apprenticed to a printer. As Rebecc appears to be fending for herself as a dressmaker, Frederick seems to be missing for two lots of census - so many years. I would be grateful for any suggestions of what may have happened, I have only checked the Beverley Workhouse - the only reason being that Fredk Henry was born there (on 1871 census) when he was 9 yrs and a scholar. Kind Regards. Renee Oz.

Morning all.  I am trying to help a friend with her research and we've come across a brick wall fairly early on in her research.  One of her relatives was a merchant seaman, not at home on 2  census nights and died in 1860.  The couple married in 1831 so marriage details porbably won't help. One of the records I am hoping might shed some light on his POB and DOB are the merchant's seamen records held at Kew.  If anyone is going there in the near future I would certainly appreciate a look up.  I have the relevant catalogue numbers. Many tia's. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW

Hi all, some years ago I transcribed the 1851 census for the township of Breighton, in the parish of Bubwith, in the East Riding, from photocopies the record office provided me with. It has been brought to my attention that a map dated around that time records some poorhouses in Breighton, but these do not show up in any of the photocopies I received. I then seemed to remember that Institutions were listed separately in censuses. Could sks please check if Breighton did have any institutions listed separately from the main township or parish return. Thanks in advance Colin