Hmmm, I've forgotten who said it, but I agree with the sentiment ;o) "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools" Moderation is all things - especially moderation ;o) While the thrust of the list is obviously as per the list title, and we all tend to join multiple lists, depending on our MAIN areas of interest, it is obviously not really practical to join yet another list for every little query that may just stray from the pure Yorkshire topic. I reckon as long as the majority of the posts remain on topic, the odd diversion adds some more interest. Just my opinion, others obviously agree and disagree ;o) Cheers Neil -- Neil Houghton Albany Western Australia on 15/11/14 4:01 PM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:31:39 +0100 (CET) > From: Peter Atkinson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: David <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Welcome to Lin and sorry to Dave for his resignation. > > Now can I point out to those that don't know or have forgotten, I quote! > > ''The Yorks gen mailing list ''Topic - the County of Yorkshire, England'' > For questions about this list contact the list administrator etc.'' > > I suggest do ask a none list question but pursue it off-list or find the > correct list; there are hundreds available. > > Peter

Welcome to Lin and sorry to Dave for his resignation. Now can I point out to those that don't know or have forgotten, I quote! ''The Yorks gen mailing list ''Topic - the County of Yorkshire, England'' For questions about this list contact the list administrator etc.'' I suggest do ask a none list question but pursue it off-list or find the correct list; there are hundreds available. Peter ======================================== Message Received: Nov 13 2014, 11:58 AM From: "David via" Dave To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION Hi folks, It is patently obvious that nobody is going to take notice of my request not to continue the debate on-list. Since taking on the admin role of Yorksgen I have been criticised several times, reported to Rootsweb, reported to my ISP for sending spam and falsely accused of pretending to be someone else and told I am not fit to be in the work position I am in. A professional researcher (R.B.) with his own company is so good at his job that he confused me with my son. I have better things to do than put up with this sort of thing so will be handing over the reins to Lin. I shall continue with my other three Yorkshire lists which follow my guidelines with no trouble at all. Good luck to Lin (she’ll need it) and all of the Yorksgen subscribers who don’t whinge and moan. Dave Jassie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

re the DNA to identify soldiers. thank you Margaret for the question about the male side. The army requires both the Mt mitochondrial dna from the female side and the Y dna from the male side, as each on its own may not be sufficiently definitive. It is not a straight yes or no answer, it is on multiple scores and a low score may be by chance, while the same score on both, may be more definitive. It is obviously quite complex. When they first started doing the testing after 2008, the family were allowed two donors of each, now only one test of each is allowed. In the case of Witton, the Y male side DNA has been done, but no result was gained, so the Mt side is very important. We try to get as close to the soldier as possible, eg a second cousin is better than a third cousin. And no matter how careful we may be, there will always be reasons why someone from the correct line may not be carrying the dna. this may be more possible with the male line where the chance of a father not being the biological father is perhaps a little higher. We have had several soldiers who were illegitimate, and have gone with the putative father if no other possibility eg a man mentioned in the court cases newspaper report being sued for support of a child, or mentioned as not accepting responsibility for a child living on the streets. Recently in two cases I was researching, feeling very pleased to have found a living relative – potential donor - I was told that their parent was adopted, and the adoptee was of an age group where certain generations were not told they were adopted, so felt very grateful that they knew. In another case a rather reticent gent who had agreed to be the donor for the mt line coming down from his mother’s mother’s line , eventually contacted me and told me he was feeling very uncomfortable, and on teasing it out, it was because he knew that his grandparents had both committed bigamy, big family secret......, and perhaps he came from the wrong side. He was actually quite delighted when I told him that it didnt matter if the traditional milkman was involved (Father Ted – great episode) the mother’s line was all we needed in that case. . The army organises the testing which is all completely coded and private and only the lab knows the answers. Each donor is checked against all the 250 dna they have. We have one family where two brothers died at Fromelles the same day. If the dna matches, they will need to use all their other forensic evidence to make the decision, height, dental, type of wound etc.. In the s=case of Witton we are finding we need to go back in time to find that important line so are grateful for any help your list can offer. On the other hand – if we do find that line, we will need a lot of help in finding the potential donor, as we will have gone though perhaps six surnames back into the past and then might go through another ten coming down to the present. and keep finger crossed that we wont be looking for a SMITH.. We do follow electoral rolls and phone books as well as traditional web sites. Always grateful for good ideas about sources. Also grateful for anyone who wants to help, as this is just one of many. We welcome experienced searchers to join our group. We have quite a few where we have tracked a family to the 1940s, but just cant find them after that. I hope this helps to clarify, happy to answer any questions. Marg O’Leary Fromelles Association. From: Margaret O'Shea Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Witton Kenworthy Dalton Hello Marg Is it not possible to DNA test from the male line. I can see that apparently Witton’s brother Basil had no children, but their father had several Dalton brothers. Margaret Oxford England.

http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/photographs/vignacourt/?query=vignacourt In WWI photographs were taken of many soldiers by a French couple.... only recently were those glass plate negatives recoverd ... many of the soldiers are unknown, recently the 100th one was identified. Remember Me: the lost diggers of Vignacourt The Louis and Antoinette Thuillier Collection contains almost 4,000 glass-plate negatives depicting British, French, Australian, US, and Indian soldiers, Chinese Labour Corps, and French civilians. More than 800 of these glass-plate negatives featuring Australians were generously donated to the Australian War Memorial by Mr Kerry Stokes AC in August 2012. You can view all the Thuillier images in the Memorial's collection on these webpages.... and you may be able to help identifiy the men who so far remain un-named.... follow the link above to the AWM. Many of the Australian who fought in WWI were British born so may be worth you doing some follow-up... Philip Edwin Taylor, one lad from Seamer, near Scarborough served 2 years with the 5th Yorkshire regiment Territorial Force before going to Australia aged 19 and enlisting with them. He died in France, 26 March 1917, KIA when he was 25, with no known grave at Villers Bretonneux https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=296255 All the best Caroline

On Thursday, 13 November 2014, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ADMINISTRATION (Nancy Keith) > 2. Wartime Munitions Factories (Martin Briscoe) > 3. Re: ADMINISTRATION (Nancy Magnusson) > 4. Re: ADMINISTRATION (JANICE WOOD) > 5. Re: ADMINISTRATION ([email protected]) > 6. Re: ADMINISTRATION ([email protected]) > 7. (no subject) (Sheila Coy) > 8. Re: ADMINISTRATION (Sue Taylor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:45:59 -0500 > From: Nancy Keith <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Welcome, Lin. I hope your tenure as Administrator will be fruitful, a > joy, and - of course - interesting. You know us well by now, and know > that we can be a contentious group - but always very helpful. > > Here's to a long and happy relationship. > > Nancy > from snowy Michigan, U S of A > > > On 11/13/2014 9:24 AM, Lin via wrote: >> Dear fellow listers. >> >> Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the >> role. >> >> I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. >> >> I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my >> family for nearly 40 years. >> >> I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you >> will be familiar with my name. >> >> I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made >> many friends through it. >> >> >> Lin Duke >> List Administrator >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:51:05 -0000 > From: "Martin Briscoe" <[email protected]> > Subject: [YORKSGEN] Wartime Munitions Factories > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think there have been occasional messages on various lists about wartime > munitions factories of various sorts because of family members working in > them. English Heritage have made this excellent book available for free > download. It has a lot of information on the various types of manufacturing > and a comprehensive gazetteer at the back of the book. > > > > Cocroft, W. (2000) > > Dangerous Energy: The archaeology of gunpowder and military explosives > manufacture. English Heritage. > > http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/eh_monographs_2014/content > s.cfm?mono=1089008 > > http://goo.gl/iJ20r9 > > > > For anyone interested in history they have also made many other publications > available. > > > > http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/eh_monographs_2014/ > > http://goo.gl/lrzkLf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin Briscoe > > Fort William > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:11:29 -0800 > From: Nancy Magnusson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < [email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Well Lin. I also hope your tenure here will be interesting, exciting and > fun. > > Nancy from British Columbia, Canada > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Nancy Keith via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Welcome, Lin. I hope your tenure as Administrator will be fruitful, a >> joy, and - of course - interesting. You know us well by now, and know >> that we can be a contentious group - but always very helpful. >> >> Here's to a long and happy relationship. >> >> Nancy >> from snowy Michigan, U S of A >> >> >> On 11/13/2014 9:24 AM, Lin via wrote: >> > Dear fellow listers. >> > >> > Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the >> > role. >> > >> > I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. >> > >> > I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my >> > family for nearly 40 years. >> > >> > I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you >> > will be familiar with my name. >> > >> > I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made >> > many friends through it. >> > >> > >> > Lin Duke >> > List Administrator >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:33:52 +0000 > From: JANICE WOOD <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello Lin,? > > I would like to add a very warm welcome. I hope that your administration of Yorksgen will be as happy and trouble-free as mine was. I was sorry to see the recent controversy, but I hope the list has now settled down to its usual harmonious state and that we can all continue to enjoy Yorksgen and gain knowledge and inspiration from our fellow listers. > > Best wishes > Janice Wood > (Former Yorksgen Admin 2003-2014) > > > ________________________________ > From: Lin via <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2014, 14:24 > Subject: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > > > Dear fellow listers. > > Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the > role. > > I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. > > I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my > family for nearly 40 years. > > I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you > will be familiar with my name. > > I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made > many friends through it. > > > Lin Duke > List Administrator > > -- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:44:33 +0000 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hi Lin > > Welcome to your role as administrator of the list. Although > I don't regularly post I do read the posts with great interest and am > always impressed by how knowledgeable fellow listers are, and also how > generous they are with that knowledge and time. > > Looking forward to a > long and happy administration of the list > > best rgds > > Sue > > On > 13-11-2014 14:24, Lin via wrote: > >> Dear fellow listers. >> >> Following > Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the >> > role. >> >> I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. >> > >> I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my >> > family for nearly 40 years. >> >> I have been a member of Yorksgen for > many years and no doubt some of you >> will be familiar with my name. >> > >> I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made > >> many friends through it. >> >> Lin Duke >> List Administrator > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:56:04 -0000 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: "Lin" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Welcome Lin, I hope that you'll be with us for a long time! > > Sue > Notts (but only by default) > -----Original Message----- > From: Lin via > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > > Dear fellow listers. > > Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the > role. > > I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. > > I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my > family for nearly 40 years. > > I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you > will be familiar with my name. > > I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made > many friends through it. > > > Lin Duke > List Administrator > > -- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:25:53 -0000 > From: "Sheila Coy" <[email protected]> > Subject: [YORKSGEN] (no subject) > To: "Message to All Yorksgen" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It is a shame things have been a little awry lately but, isn't it the > Yorkshire nature? > > > > We need some of Roy's quotes about Yorkshire folk. > > > > 'Tha' can 'allus tell a Yorkshire man, but 'tha' can't tell em much comes to > mind. > > > > I am not actively pursuing my family history at the moment, but would never > unsubscribe from Yorksgen as such a lot of useful and interesting > information comes up, many people have been subscribing for many years and > we have some real experts offering very valuable information. > > > > There have been many spats over the years, but all resolved peacefully I > think. > > > > Regards > > > > Sheila Coy > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:14:47 +0000 > From: Sue Taylor <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > To: Lin <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi Lin, > Welcoming you as Yorksgen List Admin. > Sue > > On 13/11/2014 14:24, Lin via wrote: >> Dear fellow listers. >> >> Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the >> role. >> >> I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. >> >> I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my >> family for nearly 40 years. >> >> I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you >> will be familiar with my name. >> >> I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made >> many friends through it. >> >> >> Lin Duke >> List Administrator >> > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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thanks you so much Peter for the national archives of Australia http://www.naa.gov.au/ this is the home page click on “search the collection” then click on Use “record search” type Witton Kenworthy Dalton in the box and click on 1914 and 1918 for the dates then when his file index pops up, click on view digital copy. Marg.

Hi Lin, Welcoming you as Yorksgen List Admin. Sue On 13/11/2014 14:24, Lin via wrote: > Dear fellow listers. > > Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the > role. > > I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. > > I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my > family for nearly 40 years. > > I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you > will be familiar with my name. > > I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made > many friends through it. > > > Lin Duke > List Administrator > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Lin. Hope you enjoy your time as admin....You've always been extremely helpful to me and having met up once for a meal, a few years ago, now I count you as a friend. Good luck. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on an extremely hot 39° Friday on central coast of NSW ________________________________ From: Lin via <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 14 November 2014, 1:24 Subject: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION Dear fellow listers. Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the role. I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my family for nearly 40 years. I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you will be familiar with my name. I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made many friends through it. Lin Duke List Administrator -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs147.aspx Many child migrants were sent to Australia post war, from all counties.... many reasons of course, but if you have a 'lost young relative' this may be one place to look... the Big Brother Movement and Fairbridge Farm Schools were some of the organisations .... worthwhile checking .... We've just caught up with one of the BBM boys who was helped by the ex POWs as his Dad had been a POW with the Aussies on the Burma-Thailand railway and he re-found our family when he bought my book on the POWs in a Military museum bookshop ... small world. Cheers Caroline --

It is a shame things have been a little awry lately but, isn't it the Yorkshire nature? We need some of Roy's quotes about Yorkshire folk. 'Tha' can 'allus tell a Yorkshire man, but 'tha' can't tell em much comes to mind. I am not actively pursuing my family history at the moment, but would never unsubscribe from Yorksgen as such a lot of useful and interesting information comes up, many people have been subscribing for many years and we have some real experts offering very valuable information. There have been many spats over the years, but all resolved peacefully I think. Regards Sheila Coy

Welcome Lin, I hope that you'll be with us for a long time! Sue Notts (but only by default) -----Original Message----- From: Lin via Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION Dear fellow listers. Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the role. I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my family for nearly 40 years. I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you will be familiar with my name. I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made many friends through it. Lin Duke List Administrator -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lin Welcome to your role as administrator of the list. Although I don't regularly post I do read the posts with great interest and am always impressed by how knowledgeable fellow listers are, and also how generous they are with that knowledge and time. Looking forward to a long and happy administration of the list best rgds Sue On 13-11-2014 14:24, Lin via wrote: > Dear fellow listers. > > Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the > role. > > I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. > > I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my > family for nearly 40 years. > > I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you > will be familiar with my name. > > I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made > many friends through it. > > Lin Duke > List Administrator

Hello Lin,  I would like to add a very warm welcome. I hope that your administration of Yorksgen will be as happy and trouble-free as mine was. I was sorry to see the recent controversy, but I hope the list has now settled down to its usual harmonious state and that we can all continue to enjoy Yorksgen and gain knowledge and inspiration from our fellow listers. Best wishes Janice Wood (Former Yorksgen Admin 2003-2014) ________________________________ From: Lin via <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2014, 14:24 Subject: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION Dear fellow listers. Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the role. I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my family for nearly 40 years. I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you will be familiar with my name. I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made many friends through it. Lin Duke List Administrator -- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I am a volunteer researcher for the Fromelles Project (you can google it) Looking for family of soldiers who died WW1 on 19 or 20 July battle of Fromelles in 2008 a mass grave was found with 250 Australian soldiers buried by the Germans after the battle.. They were exhumed and reburied in a new cemetery at Fromelles after forensic examination and dna taken. Cemetery dedicated officially by Prince Charles and our governor genial in 2010. Our group of volunteers is looking to find relatives who match dna with the soldiers, to try to identify them. So far 144 have now been identified and we are really dealing with those who have major brick walls Most of these more difficult ones are soldiers born in UK or Ireland with no relatives in Australia. I have a Yorkshire soldier who has a major brick wall to finding his relatives and I wonder if this list is able to help. If we really put our resources together, perhaps a breakthrough may be made. I did ask about a year ago, but no breakthrough then. Now seems like a really good time. The soldier is Witton Kenworthy DALTON b 1884 Eccleshall Bierlow Yorkshire, died 20 July 1916 Fromelles His record is on the National Archives of Australia, just put his name in to read it. NAA. It identifies his immediate family. Red Cross missing and wounded , Commonwealth War Graves and Australian War Memorial all have files on him. We are looking for the dna match on the female line. so are interested in his mother's line, any female relatives who would share a female ancestor, eg mother's mother's mother's line, though all their daughters etc.. (the bonus being when you get to the living, a male donor can be suitable as he would carry the same mitochondrial dna as the soldier, its just that men dont pass this on to their children) Following the female line back: Witton's parents were: Witton DALTON and Edna TAYLOR 1850-1899 Sheffield Edna's parents: William TAYLOR (b Brussels to a merchant TAYLOR) and Edna KENWORTHY 1813-1872 of Saddleworth Edna's parents: William KENWORTHY and Sophia TAYLOR 1773-1844 Saddleworth and possible parents of Sophia, James TAYLOR and Mary, also possible or even probable these are related to Sophia TAYLOR but I haven't found the connection. I have been unable to identify any female line running close to the present from this family but would be most grateful if anyone could review what we have found to see if there are any gaps or errors. I can send a descendant report with more detail, or a dna chart to anyone who would like to help Many hands make light work. Looking forward to any support or ideas please Marg O'Leary Fromelles Association. -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Gaden via Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:46 PM To: Yorksgen Subject: [YORKSGEN] WW1 soldiers: George Sanderson and William Spaven fromMalton, Yorkshire https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/search This is the sort of extra info you get if you follow up a specific name. One I was looking for was KIA and I have the Red Cross reports of what his mates told them about him being killed as he went over the parapet. There was no burial as they never found his remains. Good luck Caroline George SANDERSON Regimental number 10923 Religion Church of England Occupation Tram conductor Address Norton-Malton, Yorkshire, England Marital status Single Age at embarkation 31 Next of kin Father, W Sanderson, Norton-Malton, Yorkshire, England Enlistment date 13 July 1915 Rank on enlistment Driver Unit name 3rd Divisional Train, 22nd Company, Army Service Corps AWM Embarkation Roll number 25/16/3 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A34 Persic on 3 June 1916 Rank from Nominal Roll Driver Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Company, Australian Army Service Corps Fate Effective abroad (still overseas) William SPAVEN Regimental number 3687 Religion Methodist Occupation Labourer Address Malton, Yorkshire, England Marital status Single Age at embarkation 30 Next of kin Father, T Spaven, Amotherby via Malton, Yorkshire, England Enlistment date 8 October 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 20th Battalion, 8th Reinforcement AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/37/2 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A60 Aeneas on 20 December 1915 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 5th Pioneer Battalion Fate Returned to Australia 15 January 1919 -- AUTHOR OF "Pounding Along to Singapore, a history of the 2/20 Battalion AIF", available from [email protected] WEB <http://secondtwentiethbattalionaif.wordpress.com/> FACEBOOK <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pounding-Along-to-Singapore-a-history-of-220th-Battalion-AIF/344892488956481> BOOKS on NSW Colonial History:- "From Baron to Battler, the story of Dr CUD Schrader of Walcha, 1860-1900" available from <www.smashwords.com/books/view/129058> "The Schrader Letters, 1871-1896" available from <www.smashword.com/books/view/109893> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think there have been occasional messages on various lists about wartime munitions factories of various sorts because of family members working in them. English Heritage have made this excellent book available for free download. It has a lot of information on the various types of manufacturing and a comprehensive gazetteer at the back of the book. Cocroft, W. (2000) Dangerous Energy: The archaeology of gunpowder and military explosives manufacture. English Heritage. http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/eh_monographs_2014/content s.cfm?mono=1089008 http://goo.gl/iJ20r9 For anyone interested in history they have also made many other publications available. http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/archives/view/eh_monographs_2014/ http://goo.gl/lrzkLf Martin Briscoe Fort William [email protected]

Dear fellow listers. Following Dave's resignation as List Administrator I have taken over the role. I thought it opportune to tell you a little about myself. I have lived in Yorkshire all my life and have been researching my family for nearly 40 years. I have been a member of Yorksgen for many years and no doubt some of you will be familiar with my name. I have found the list on the whole helpful, informative and have made many friends through it. Lin Duke List Administrator --

Hang in there please Dave, and happy birthday. I concur with Nancy. I have been on this and other sites for some years and Yorksgen is by far the best. My suggestion is not to ban "off topic" posts entirely but to bring them to a halt after only a few responses. My biggest gripe is people who are vague in the subject line. I delete using that info, without reading the majority of posts. I may miss a few gems, but I also have other things to do. Time is important to me. The exception is anything sent from Roy. More please. My second gripe is those who don't identify their location. My third is punctuation and the non use of Capitals. I did however read and ponder on the one about writing up a family tree on MS Word. I think all Rootsweb sites have been effected by Facebook. A pity. Murray NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Magnusson via" <[email protected]> To: "D" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] ADMINISTRATION > Dave, I have been following the messages that have come through this list > and even though I very seldom post I felt compelled to reply now. I > forget > how long I have been a member of Yorksgen, but there have been debates off > and on since I've been a member and yes, I believe a couple of members > unsubscribed but not the list admin. I think this is an awesome list and > I, for one, have learned a lot reading the individual posts. I honestly > don't feel that you have been attacked, it's just members expressing their > own opinions and as far as I am concerned, I thought we are allowed to do > that. I have never done a Family tree in Microsoft Word, and I would love > to learn how people write up a family history using that program, but, I > guess that option of learning isn't going to be allowed now. > > I hope you change your mind about not being the admin and just relax a bit > and go with the flow to speak.........LOL. I feel the person posting was > asking a genealogy related topic question and that it was totally > appropriate. As for the lack of posts now, there is so much information > on > the internet that is readily available for people to access now and you > have websites on this forum for people to access. > > I personally feel that this forum should be for any and all genealogy > related questions whether it's asking how to find family, how to figure > out > who's who in the family or just asking how to write up a genealogy report > using whatever program. > > Anyhow, if you choose to not let this post go through that's up to you, > but, I don't feel I have violated any "rules" of this site by expressing > my > opinion. > > Cheers, Nancy > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:42 PM, D via <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> I have read the messages that have come through whilst I have been out >> celebrating my birthday and replied to them. The list has been in >> “moderated” mode for the last few hours. I will shortly reinstate it to >> normal mode. Please don’t post any more about the latest debate. It >> would >> be pointless to do so because I have decided that you need an admin who >> will let you do as you like. I am not that person so, if anybody wants to >> take over, please contact me privately. >> Dave Jassie ([email protected]) >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> >> Some useful websites - >> FREECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ >> FREEBMD - http://freebmd.org.uk/ >> FREEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ >> >> Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> >> Links to more useful websites - >> >> www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org >> >> www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk >> >> www.yorkshireparishregisters.com >> >> www.yorkshireroots.org.uk >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/search This is the sort of extra info you get if you follow up a specific name. One I was looking for was KIA and I have the Red Cross reports of what his mates told them about him being killed as he went over the parapet. There was no burial as they never found his remains. Good luck Caroline George SANDERSON Regimental number 10923 Religion Church of England Occupation Tram conductor Address Norton-Malton, Yorkshire, England Marital status Single Age at embarkation 31 Next of kin Father, W Sanderson, Norton-Malton, Yorkshire, England Enlistment date 13 July 1915 Rank on enlistment Driver Unit name 3rd Divisional Train, 22nd Company, Army Service Corps AWM Embarkation Roll number 25/16/3 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A34 Persic on 3 June 1916 Rank from Nominal Roll Driver Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Company, Australian Army Service Corps Fate Effective abroad (still overseas) William SPAVEN Regimental number 3687 Religion Methodist Occupation Labourer Address Malton, Yorkshire, England Marital status Single Age at embarkation 30 Next of kin Father, T Spaven, Amotherby via Malton, Yorkshire, England Enlistment date 8 October 1915 Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 20th Battalion, 8th Reinforcement AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/37/2 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A60 Aeneas on 20 December 1915 Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 5th Pioneer Battalion Fate Returned to Australia 15 January 1919 -- AUTHOR OF "Pounding Along to Singapore, a history of the 2/20 Battalion AIF", available from [email protected] WEB <http://secondtwentiethbattalionaif.wordpress.com/> FACEBOOK <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pounding-Along-to-Singapore-a-history-of-220th-Battalion-AIF/344892488956481> BOOKS on NSW Colonial History:- "From Baron to Battler, the story of Dr CUD Schrader of Walcha, 1860-1900" available from <www.smashwords.com/books/view/129058> "The Schrader Letters, 1871-1896" available from <www.smashword.com/books/view/109893>

Hello Yorkins http://www.dva.gov.au/commems_oawg/commemorations/history_research/service_history/Documents/Research%20guide.pdf This is the web site which shows all the things you can access about your WWI soldier who fought with the Aussies....don't dismiss it just because it was an Australian unit, there were plenty of English-born enlisted.... 67 Yorkshire, 66 Lancashire, 37 from Durham, England etc and the Australian War Memorial and others on this spread sheet are very good sites. Most of my research has been WWII esp the ATA and the POWs of the Japanese but if I can help with any Australian WWI stuff, I'll give it a go... Good luck Caroline

Hello Yorkins The Australian Defence Force Academy has a web site listing the Aussies who went to battle in WWI. Many of course were from England and there are 67 who I found just with the search of 'Yorkshire' in the place name.... so if you've 'lost' a lad he may have been enjoying the sun and wide open spaces Down Under before he enlisted.... and no doubt other counties will reveal their sons if you try them... https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/search Good luck Cheers Caroline Here are the first 3 on the list and you can get more details of each one when you get his full details via his name 1112 ALLATT, Arthur Glenroe, Broom Road, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England 22nd Battalion, A Company 938 BANNING, Alec Hawthorn Terrace, Hook Road, Goole, Yorkshire, England 9th Light Horse Regiment, 5th Reinforcement 485 BODEN, George Ernest Ilkley, Yorkshire, England 18th Battalion, B Company