Hi Jane, It looks to me like Anne SIMMONS and William's surname looks to me like WELDRON Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Woodall via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] Help deciphering entry please > Hi folks > As you may know, I’m tracing the Weldrake/Weldrick family which > originates in Yorkshire as a one name study. I’ve come across an entry on Ancestry – in the Lancashire baptisms, marriages and burials 1538-1812 for Anne Simmeon Weldrake, daughter of William, a mariner, and his wife Susannah (Guyner). Born July 22 1801, bapt Oct 4 1801 in Liverpool. Anne looks to be Simmons rather than Simmeon on the actual entry and I’m not certain William is a Weldrake. The name doesn’t look quite right. Would anyone have a minute to have a look and see what they think please? thanks very much Jane

Hello, Jane - I did find that entry on Ancestry, and it looked to me like Ann Simmeon, daughter of William Weldron, Mariner and Susanna, his wife, formerly Guynon. Hope this helps a bit. Deborah Charron ---- Jane Woodall via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi folks As you may know, I’m tracing the Weldrake/Weldrick family which originates in Yorkshire as a one name study. I’ve come across an entry on Ancestry – in the Lancashire baptisms, marriages and burials 1538-1812 for Anne Simmeon Weldrake, daughter of William, a mariner, and his wife Susannah (Guyner). Born July 22 1801, bapt Oct 4 1801 in Liverpool. Anne looks to be Simmons rather than Simmeon on the actual entry and I’m not certain William is a Weldrake. The name doesn’t look quite right. Would anyone have a minute to have a look and see what they think please? thanks very much Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Chris, Thank you for your offer of help. I did locate David Alden's police records at Beverley and they were very informative. I was able to trace his moves and eventual discharge. pauline alden 13 swann street York YO23 1AF --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Janice, Thank you for this suggestion - have tried a few different spellings but not SHOUT, happy hunting, Annette At 05:34 AM 21/11/2014, you wrote: >Hi Annette, > >One possibility is the alternative spelling SHOUT or SHOUTT. I have >done some research on the SHOUT family who came from Weston, near >Otley in the West Riding in the 18th century. > >Regards >Janice Wood > > ><snip>

At 07:40 22/11/2014, Wendy King wrote: >It helps to have ,more detail please - what was John;s age on the 1841 census and what was his occupation Ooops - I thought I'd given all the detail I had, but no! In 1841 John is 35, Hannah 30, John is a labourer, all born in county. They appear to be in the same household as Charles and Susannah Wilkinson, who might be Hannah's parents. Best Wishes, Andy. >I wonder if any of you super-sleuths can find John Micklethwaite (or similar - the name has lots of mis-spellings) in the Goole area in 1851? I'd love to know where he was born! > >I have a marriage for him to Hannah Wilkinson in 1830 in Whitgift. I have them on the 1841 at George St Goole (transcribed as Mickelthwate) RG9/1307/11/18/28 with 3 children: Levi 4 (Ancestry transcribed him as Lovey), Sarah Ann 2, and Mary 9m. I have baptisms for Levi 1836 and Sarah Ann 1838, both at Hook, and a birth registration for Mary in 1840. I have a death for Hannah in 1842 in Hook, and for John in Goole in 1854. In 1851 Mary and Sarah Ann are in the Goole Workhouse, Levi is an apprentice in Crowle, Lincs (Ancestry transcribed him as Clive). In 1861 Sarah Ann has moved to Thorne (F.S.) and married Thomas Jenkinson there in 1863. Mary and Levi disappear after 1851 with no trace of marriages and no obvious deaths. > >There are a couple of baptisms Huddersfield way that are of the right age for John, but that seems a bit distant. But having just found that a Richard Micklethwaite (known as Micklewhite), who married in Tadcaster, was from Mirfield, nothing will surprise me about John's birthplace! > >I suspect he isn't on the 1851 census. As he's had to put his daughters into the Workhouse, I guess he's somewhere the census enumerator couldn't find him! But you may be able to prove me wrong - I hope so! > >TIA Andy.

It helps to have ,more detail please - what was John;s age on the 1841 census and what was his occupation Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Andy Micklethwaite via Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YORKSGEN] John MICKLETHWAITE of Goole - 1851 I wonder if any of you super-sleuths can find John Micklethwaite (or similar - the name has lots of mis-spellings) in the Goole area in 1851? I'd love to know where he was born! I have a marriage for him to Hannah Wilkinson in 1830 in Whitgift. I have them on the 1841 at George St Goole (transcribed as Mickelthwate) RG9/1307/11/18/28 with 3 children: Levi 4 (Ancestry transcribed him as Lovey), Sarah Ann 2, and Mary 9m. I have baptisms for Levi 1836 and Sarah Ann 1838, both at Hook, and a birth registration for Mary in 1840. I have a death for Hannah in 1842 in Hook, and for John in Goole in 1854. In 1851 Mary and Sarah Ann are in the Goole Workhouse, Levi is an apprentice in Crowle, Lincs (Ancestry transcribed him as Clive). In 1861 Sarah Ann has moved to Thorne (F.S.) and married Thomas Jenkinson there in 1863. Mary and Levi disappear after 1851 with no trace of marriages and no obvious deaths. There are a couple of baptisms Huddersfield way that are of the right age for John, but that seems a bit distant. But having just found that a Richard Micklethwaite (known as Micklewhite), who married in Tadcaster, was from Mirfield, nothing will surprise me about John's birthplace! I suspect he isn't on the 1851 census. As he's had to put his daughters into the Workhouse, I guess he's somewhere the census enumerator couldn't find him! But you may be able to prove me wrong - I hope so! TIA Andy. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if any of you super-sleuths can find John Micklethwaite (or similar - the name has lots of mis-spellings) in the Goole area in 1851? I'd love to know where he was born! I have a marriage for him to Hannah Wilkinson in 1830 in Whitgift. I have them on the 1841 at George St Goole (transcribed as Mickelthwate) RG9/1307/11/18/28 with 3 children: Levi 4 (Ancestry transcribed him as Lovey), Sarah Ann 2, and Mary 9m. I have baptisms for Levi 1836 and Sarah Ann 1838, both at Hook, and a birth registration for Mary in 1840. I have a death for Hannah in 1842 in Hook, and for John in Goole in 1854. In 1851 Mary and Sarah Ann are in the Goole Workhouse, Levi is an apprentice in Crowle, Lincs (Ancestry transcribed him as Clive). In 1861 Sarah Ann has moved to Thorne (F.S.) and married Thomas Jenkinson there in 1863. Mary and Levi disappear after 1851 with no trace of marriages and no obvious deaths. There are a couple of baptisms Huddersfield way that are of the right age for John, but that seems a bit distant. But having just found that a Richard Micklethwaite (known as Micklewhite), who married in Tadcaster, was from Mirfield, nothing will surprise me about John's birthplace! I suspect he isn't on the 1851 census. As he's had to put his daughters into the Workhouse, I guess he's somewhere the census enumerator couldn't find him! But you may be able to prove me wrong - I hope so! TIA Andy.

Is there any mention of a stone mason on Windsor Lane? Kind regards Margaret Switzerland > On 20 Nov 2014, at 08:12, Judith Varley via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi List, > We were in the Book Shop in Knareborough yesterday > and bought a book which was launched in the Library there on Tues > its called Tudor and Stuart Knaresborough > compiled and edited by Mike Baxter but original text by Mary Mann and > Maurice Turner > for someone with ancestors in Knaresborough its a fascinating book > full of old sketches old photographs of properties and names of > residents living in different properties > at that time > Judith > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, You have to remember that in times past there were numerous very small police forces. Some boroughs had their own force. these were gradually amalgamated into the forces we know today. When I was engaged to my husband (1970) he had to live in the section house. |Women were not allowed over the threshold and as I lived in the nurses home and men were not allowed over that threshold either meeting up was somewhat difficult. Partners were vetted to see if they were suitable people. We were told we had to live in a police house and we were told where this would be. There was no choice. It could be anywhere within the force area and you could be moved across the county at a moment's notice. Children's education was immaterial. It did us a favour that no houses were available and we had to buy our own. A house came as part of the salary. On our war memorial project working party we had 3 ex police officers one of whom had served a considerable time ago. Our memorial man had resigned after 20 years service. In my husband's day they paid 11% of their salary into the pension fund and could retire with a reduced pension after 25 years service. According to the oldest police officer this was also the case at WW1 time. I wondered why someone married with children in a tied house would resign when he only had 5 years to go to get his pension? There had to be a story there - and there was! He upset his sergeant by failing to meet beat points on several occasions. This was before radios. He then was caught drinking in the local pub on duty. BYW when you retired you were out of the police house on your ear. Re the archives for you. I think your first port of call should be the Treasure House at Beverley and WYAS catalogues. If they do not have anything try the force HQ covering the area now. There may be an archivist - I doubt it now as they have had such budget cuts but it is worth a try, I went initially to Surrey History Centre to be told that the archives had been requested back by Mount Browne (HQ). I then contacted Mount Browne to find that they had been returned to the History centre. These were not digitised documents so I read the originals. You get a brief description of the man, all his postings and his grade. I learned that there were 3 classes of constable starting with 3rd class. Even minor misdemenours could result in a reduction in tank. HTH Chris l----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 20/11/2014 - 22:45 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : [YORKSGEN] YORKSGEN Digest, Vol 9, Issue 319 - Police Records, East Riding and West Riding. HI The message in today's digest about police force records interested me. My maternal grandfather (Fred WEATHERILL 1880 Great Broughton - 1951 Hatfield nr Doncaster) was a policeman. He first served with the East Riding Constabulary, but when he wished to marry he moved to the West Riding because their officers could get married accommodation (that's my mother's account). I assume that his ERY record would be at Beverley, but when with the West Riding police he was stationed at Wombwell, North Anston, Denaby and Hatfield. These are all in the modern South Yorkshire as far as policing is concerned. Would his West Riding record be at Wakefield or somewhere else? John Lindley NRY . . . Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] help with parish records Patrington To: pauline alden <[email protected]>, [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Pauline, In researching our local war memorial, I discovered that one of our men and been a policeman, The archives of the local police force are at the county archives and I was able to get his complete work record. If you can get hold of your gt grandfather's record and need help with understanding it, I am willing to give it a go. My late husband was in the job, as is my son in law now so I do know something about how the police work. There have been several amalgamations of small police forces. Perhaps your first port of call should be the catalogue at Beverley and then the HQ of the now force for the area (sorry I do not know which one covers ERY). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another alternative spelling may be SCUTT. I have relliesof that name around Broomfleet. Also found around Whitgift. Family has Dutch origins. Murray NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANICE WOOD via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Maria SHUTT - need help with baptism Hi Annette, One possibility is the alternative spelling SHOUT or SHOUTT. I have done some research on the SHOUT family who came from Weston, near Otley in the West Riding in the 18th century. Regards Janice Wood ________________________________ From: Annette Watson via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2014, 2:05 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Maria SHUTT - need help with baptism Hi everyone, My 5 x gr grandmother Maria SHUTT married Thomas THORNTON on 31 August 1729 at St Mary's, Elland. I have searched for Maria's baptism and for SHUTT in the West Riding, I can only find SHUTT around the Harrogate and Bradford areas. Maria was buried 17 Oct 1732 at St Mary's, Elland, I have found three children for her & Thomas - Sarah chr 30 Jan 1728/1729, Johannes 5 Jul 1730 and Elizabeth 30 Aug 1732 all in St Mary's, Elland. Thomas was buried 6 Nov 1754 at St Mary's, Elland. On the burial records there are no ages mentioned so I have no idea when Maria was baptised, Thomas's 1st marriage was to Martha BROOK 17 Jun 1724, they had two children both baptised at St Peter's, Huddersfield, Martha was buried 23 Dec 1727, so, Thomas would have had five children to look after after Maria died, I have not found another marriage for him. Is it possible that Maria came from either Bradford or Harragate areas, there are many SHUTTS listed for these. Hoping someone can advise, maybe I have missed something along the way, happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Information on the above records held by the West Yorkshire Archive Service can be found via their Collection Guides - and many other categories too: http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/archives-collections-guides.asp Best wishes Jackie Mrs Jacqueline G Depelle Chairman, Yorkshire Group of Family History Societies www.yorksgroup.org.uk Family History Tutor, Speaker and Fair Organiser www.yourfairladies.co.uk

HI The message in today's digest about police force records interested me. My maternal grandfather (Fred WEATHERILL 1880 Great Broughton - 1951 Hatfield nr Doncaster) was a policeman. He first served with the East Riding Constabulary, but when he wished to marry he moved to the West Riding because their officers could get married accommodation (that's my mother's account). I assume that his ERY record would be at Beverley, but when with the West Riding police he was stationed at Wombwell, North Anston, Denaby and Hatfield. These are all in the modern South Yorkshire as far as policing is concerned. Would his West Riding record be at Wakefield or somewhere else? John Lindley NRY . . . Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] help with parish records Patrington To: pauline alden <[email protected]>, [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Pauline, In researching our local war memorial, I discovered that one of our men and been a policeman, The archives of the local police force are at the county archives and I was able to get his complete work record. If you can get hold of your gt grandfather's record and need help with understanding it, I am willing to give it a go. My late husband was in the job, as is my son in law now so I do know something about how the police work. There have been several amalgamations of small police forces. Perhaps your first port of call should be the catalogue at Beverley and then the HQ of the now force for the area (sorry I do not know which one covers ERY).

Hi Pauline I have a Charles ALDEN police constable who was born in Thorpe Abbots in Norfolk about 1838 . He lived in Hornsea, Flamborough, Kilham, Sledmere, Elvington and York according to the censuses. Let me know if you think there is a connection. Lin On 20/11/2014 12:02, pauline alden via wrote: > Thank you for your help Margaret and Lynn. David Alden, the police constable > was my gt grandfather, and I was told that when he became too friendly with > the local publican he was moved on. > > Because of this the 9 children were born in different parts of the East > Riding. He retired aged 51 when he was in Bubwith. > > Laura and Emma died aged 2 & 3. Does anybody know if there were any > epidemics at this time? I have a list which shows that from 1871-73 there > was a smallpox outbreak. > > Kind regards > > pauline alden > 13 swann street > York YO23 1AF > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --

Hi Pauoline, In researching our local war memorial, I discovered that one of our men and been a policeman, The archives of the local police force are at the county archives and I was able to get his complete work record. If you can get hold of your gt grandfather's record and need help with understanding it, I am willing to give it a go. My late husband was in the job, as is my son in law now so I do know something about how the police work. There have been several amalgamations of small police forces. Perhaps your first port of call should be the catalogue at Beverley and then the HQ of the now force for the area (sorry I do not know which one covers ERY). Chris ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 20/11/2014 - 12:02 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [YORKSGEN] help with parish records Patrington Thank you for your help Margaret and Lynn. David Alden, the police constable was my gt grandfather, and I was told that when he became too friendly with the local publican he was moved on. Because of this the 9 children were born in different parts of the East Riding. He retired aged 51 when he was in Bubwith. Laura and Emma died aged 2 & 3. Does anybody know if there were any epidemics at this time? I have a list which shows that from 1871-73 there was a smallpox outbreak. Kind regards pauline alden 13 swann street York YO23 1AF --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Annette, One possibility is the alternative spelling SHOUT or SHOUTT. I have done some research on the SHOUT family who came from Weston, near Otley in the West Riding in the 18th century. Regards Janice Wood ________________________________ From: Annette Watson via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2014, 2:05 Subject: [YORKSGEN] Maria SHUTT - need help with baptism Hi everyone, My 5 x gr grandmother Maria SHUTT married Thomas THORNTON on 31 August 1729 at St Mary's, Elland.  I have searched for Maria's baptism and for SHUTT in the West Riding, I can only find SHUTT around the Harrogate and Bradford areas. Maria was buried 17 Oct 1732 at St Mary's, Elland, I have found three children for her & Thomas - Sarah chr 30 Jan 1728/1729, Johannes 5 Jul 1730 and Elizabeth 30 Aug 1732 all in St Mary's, Elland.  Thomas was buried 6 Nov 1754 at St Mary's, Elland.  On the burial records there are no ages mentioned so I have no idea when Maria was baptised,  Thomas's 1st marriage was to Martha BROOK 17 Jun 1724, they had two children both baptised at St Peter's, Huddersfield,  Martha was buried 23 Dec 1727, so, Thomas would have had five children to look after after Maria died, I have not found another marriage for him. Is it possible that Maria came from either Bradford or Harragate areas, there are many SHUTTS listed for these. Hoping someone can advise, maybe I have missed something along the way, happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, My 5 x gr grandmother Maria SHUTT married Thomas THORNTON on 31 August 1729 at St Mary's, Elland. I have searched for Maria's baptism and for SHUTT in the West Riding, I can only find SHUTT around the Harrogate and Bradford areas. Maria was buried 17 Oct 1732 at St Mary's, Elland, I have found three children for her & Thomas - Sarah chr 30 Jan 1728/1729, Johannes 5 Jul 1730 and Elizabeth 30 Aug 1732 all in St Mary's, Elland. Thomas was buried 6 Nov 1754 at St Mary's, Elland. On the burial records there are no ages mentioned so I have no idea when Maria was baptised, Thomas's 1st marriage was to Martha BROOK 17 Jun 1724, they had two children both baptised at St Peter's, Huddersfield, Martha was buried 23 Dec 1727, so, Thomas would have had five children to look after after Maria died, I have not found another marriage for him. Is it possible that Maria came from either Bradford or Harragate areas, there are many SHUTTS listed for these. Hoping someone can advise, maybe I have missed something along the way, happy hunting, Annette WATSON Lismore Australia

Thank you for your help Margaret and Lynn. David Alden, the police constable was my gt grandfather, and I was told that when he became too friendly with the local publican he was moved on. Because of this the 9 children were born in different parts of the East Riding. He retired aged 51 when he was in Bubwith. Laura and Emma died aged 2 & 3. Does anybody know if there were any epidemics at this time? I have a list which shows that from 1871-73 there was a smallpox outbreak. Kind regards pauline alden 13 swann street York YO23 1AF --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi List, We were in the Book Shop in Knareborough yesterday and bought a book which was launched in the Library there on Tues its called Tudor and Stuart Knaresborough compiled and edited by Mike Baxter but original text by Mary Mann and Maurice Turner for someone with ancestors in Knaresborough its a fascinating book full of old sketches old photographs of properties and names of residents living in different properties at that time Judith

Based on these BMD details there is a James William Alden births 1876 Dec Patrington 9d 281 There are no other Alden entries for the Patrington district which suggests they are the same family. Based on that assumption 1881 census finds James William born Patrington with his family in Melbourne Yorks, in the Pocklington Reg district. Father David Alden a Police Constable born Norfolk, wife Emma born Cherry Burton and various other children born in various other parts of the County. There are no MI's listed for Alden in the Patrington MI's published by the EYFHS and the burial registers for St. Patrick's church are at The Treasure House in Beverley. Cheers Lynn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Taylor via Sent: 19 November 2014 22:59 To: pauline alden; [email protected] Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] help with parish records You probably have the following but sending in case not- Free BMD-Births Dec 1872 (>99%) ALDEN Emma Patrington 9d267 Births Sep 1874 (>99%) Alden Laura Patrington 9d279 Deaths Sep 1876 (>99%) Alden Emma 3 Patrington 9d187 Deaths Dec 1876 (>99%) Alden Laura 2 Patrington 9d166 There is a possible marriage Dec qtr 1869 Hull of a Henry Alden and Eliza Jackson Margaret Taylor ( Port Perry.Ont) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pauline alden via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:55 PM Subject: [YORKSGEN] help with parish records >I am trying to find details of Emma Alden and Laura Alden who died in 1876 > as children in Patrington. > Thank you > pauline alden ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find details of Emma Alden and Laura Alden who died in 1876 as children in Patrington. Thank you pauline alden 13 swann street York YO23 1AF --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com