Then we would get in a real mess trying to work on one tree from 2 laptops at the same time, and I prefer to work my own way. They will be kept separate. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Victor Markham via Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:15 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Fw: Ancestry to Retire Family Tree Have you considered merging the two trees unless you want to keep your two family details separate. Victor On 11/12/2015 9:05 PM, Pontefract FHS via wrote: > Basically, what you are suggesting does not work. We have 2 lots of > software > and 2 subscriptions and 2 very different lines of research, because we had > these before we met. > Putting the trees on one laptop does not mean that when you sync they all > sync, and you cannot sync 2 trees into the same account at the same time. > > I work one way, keeping my images etc in marked folders my husband works > another way. > > I realise there was no extra charge for sync, but it was a consideration > when taking out a subscription and buying FTM. > > It is not the reports charts etc, that do not appear on the online > version, > it is the ability to search on many parameters, make multiple changes for > instance to place names and other features. > > Sharon Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington via > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 8:40 PM > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Fw: Ancestry to Retire Family Tree > > Hi Sharon > > I confess I am trying to get my head around that situation > > Could you not share one subscription, I can log in on two computers in > the same house and search on both, I can have as many trees as I want to > > If one subscription couldn't handle separately synch'd trees from two > computers, if one had the trees on their computer synch'd to Ancestry > both would update, the other person given editor rights to their tree so > they could edit from the other computer > > When synch ends, each person could upload a tree to one subscription > periodically as used to be the norm pre synch function > > Although you already have two issues of software, I am not even sure you > needed to pay for two, surely you are licensed to have it on at least > two computers in one licence > > ============= > > As far as getting less value, there was no extra charge for the synch > function so taking it away has no effect, a great many Ancestry users > never use all the facilities available but they pay the same subscription > > Some don't synch or have never had a tree on Ancestry at all, others > have a tree but don't use the site either at all or only for short > periods, they still pay the same > > Ancestry have mooted that they are looking at adding more printing and > report options to the online tree version, but as you have yours on FTM > you can continue to use it as you are doing > > The vast amount of records on Ancestry is only growing larger, even when > synch finishes you can still download the record and attach it to your > tree > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 11/12/2015 19:40, Pontefract FHS via wrote: >> Some very interesting comments from Ancestry, but lots of ifs and maybes. >> >> The comments about there being no rush and plenty of time do not take >> into >> account a financial consideration. To use the tree facility online a >> subscription is needed. >> >> Both my husband and myself use FTM and link trees to Ancestry, that is we >> both have our own accounts and trees. So 2 lots of software and 2 >> subscriptions from one house. >> When choosing to use FTM, one of the considerations was the vast amount >> of >> records on Ancestry, linking these images to our trees and the Sync >> facility. >> >> My husbands subscription is due at the end of January, so if he chooses >> to >> renew he will have the benefit of the Sync for 11 months. My subscription >> runs out in July, if I choose to renew I will have the benefit of the >> Sync >> for 5 months, but I will still have to pay the same amount as my husband >> for >> less benefits. >> >> Plus the online version has far fewer features than the desktop version. >> >> I don't see Ancestry reducing their subscriptions in line with reducing >> their facilities. Which is at present prices £240 for us. >> >> Sharon Smith > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you considered merging the two trees unless you want to keep your two family details separate. Victor On 11/12/2015 9:05 PM, Pontefract FHS via wrote: > Basically, what you are suggesting does not work. We have 2 lots of software > and 2 subscriptions and 2 very different lines of research, because we had > these before we met. > Putting the trees on one laptop does not mean that when you sync they all > sync, and you cannot sync 2 trees into the same account at the same time. > > I work one way, keeping my images etc in marked folders my husband works > another way. > > I realise there was no extra charge for sync, but it was a consideration > when taking out a subscription and buying FTM. > > It is not the reports charts etc, that do not appear on the online version, > it is the ability to search on many parameters, make multiple changes for > instance to place names and other features. > > Sharon Smith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington via > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 8:40 PM > To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Fw: Ancestry to Retire Family Tree > > Hi Sharon > > I confess I am trying to get my head around that situation > > Could you not share one subscription, I can log in on two computers in > the same house and search on both, I can have as many trees as I want to > > If one subscription couldn't handle separately synch'd trees from two > computers, if one had the trees on their computer synch'd to Ancestry > both would update, the other person given editor rights to their tree so > they could edit from the other computer > > When synch ends, each person could upload a tree to one subscription > periodically as used to be the norm pre synch function > > Although you already have two issues of software, I am not even sure you > needed to pay for two, surely you are licensed to have it on at least > two computers in one licence > > ============= > > As far as getting less value, there was no extra charge for the synch > function so taking it away has no effect, a great many Ancestry users > never use all the facilities available but they pay the same subscription > > Some don't synch or have never had a tree on Ancestry at all, others > have a tree but don't use the site either at all or only for short > periods, they still pay the same > > Ancestry have mooted that they are looking at adding more printing and > report options to the online tree version, but as you have yours on FTM > you can continue to use it as you are doing > > The vast amount of records on Ancestry is only growing larger, even when > synch finishes you can still download the record and attach it to your tree > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 11/12/2015 19:40, Pontefract FHS via wrote: >> Some very interesting comments from Ancestry, but lots of ifs and maybes. >> >> The comments about there being no rush and plenty of time do not take into >> account a financial consideration. To use the tree facility online a >> subscription is needed. >> >> Both my husband and myself use FTM and link trees to Ancestry, that is we >> both have our own accounts and trees. So 2 lots of software and 2 >> subscriptions from one house. >> When choosing to use FTM, one of the considerations was the vast amount of >> records on Ancestry, linking these images to our trees and the Sync >> facility. >> >> My husbands subscription is due at the end of January, so if he chooses to >> renew he will have the benefit of the Sync for 11 months. My subscription >> runs out in July, if I choose to renew I will have the benefit of the Sync >> for 5 months, but I will still have to pay the same amount as my husband >> for >> less benefits. >> >> Plus the online version has far fewer features than the desktop version. >> >> I don't see Ancestry reducing their subscriptions in line with reducing >> their facilities. Which is at present prices £240 for us. >> >> Sharon Smith > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Basically, what you are suggesting does not work. We have 2 lots of software and 2 subscriptions and 2 very different lines of research, because we had these before we met. Putting the trees on one laptop does not mean that when you sync they all sync, and you cannot sync 2 trees into the same account at the same time. I work one way, keeping my images etc in marked folders my husband works another way. I realise there was no extra charge for sync, but it was a consideration when taking out a subscription and buying FTM. It is not the reports charts etc, that do not appear on the online version, it is the ability to search on many parameters, make multiple changes for instance to place names and other features. Sharon Smith -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 8:40 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Fw: Ancestry to Retire Family Tree Hi Sharon I confess I am trying to get my head around that situation Could you not share one subscription, I can log in on two computers in the same house and search on both, I can have as many trees as I want to If one subscription couldn't handle separately synch'd trees from two computers, if one had the trees on their computer synch'd to Ancestry both would update, the other person given editor rights to their tree so they could edit from the other computer When synch ends, each person could upload a tree to one subscription periodically as used to be the norm pre synch function Although you already have two issues of software, I am not even sure you needed to pay for two, surely you are licensed to have it on at least two computers in one licence ============= As far as getting less value, there was no extra charge for the synch function so taking it away has no effect, a great many Ancestry users never use all the facilities available but they pay the same subscription Some don't synch or have never had a tree on Ancestry at all, others have a tree but don't use the site either at all or only for short periods, they still pay the same Ancestry have mooted that they are looking at adding more printing and report options to the online tree version, but as you have yours on FTM you can continue to use it as you are doing The vast amount of records on Ancestry is only growing larger, even when synch finishes you can still download the record and attach it to your tree Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/12/2015 19:40, Pontefract FHS via wrote: > Some very interesting comments from Ancestry, but lots of ifs and maybes. > > The comments about there being no rush and plenty of time do not take into > account a financial consideration. To use the tree facility online a > subscription is needed. > > Both my husband and myself use FTM and link trees to Ancestry, that is we > both have our own accounts and trees. So 2 lots of software and 2 > subscriptions from one house. > When choosing to use FTM, one of the considerations was the vast amount of > records on Ancestry, linking these images to our trees and the Sync > facility. > > My husbands subscription is due at the end of January, so if he chooses to > renew he will have the benefit of the Sync for 11 months. My subscription > runs out in July, if I choose to renew I will have the benefit of the Sync > for 5 months, but I will still have to pay the same amount as my husband > for > less benefits. > > Plus the online version has far fewer features than the desktop version. > > I don't see Ancestry reducing their subscriptions in line with reducing > their facilities. Which is at present prices £240 for us. > > Sharon Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sharon I confess I am trying to get my head around that situation Could you not share one subscription, I can log in on two computers in the same house and search on both, I can have as many trees as I want to If one subscription couldn't handle separately synch'd trees from two computers, if one had the trees on their computer synch'd to Ancestry both would update, the other person given editor rights to their tree so they could edit from the other computer When synch ends, each person could upload a tree to one subscription periodically as used to be the norm pre synch function Although you already have two issues of software, I am not even sure you needed to pay for two, surely you are licensed to have it on at least two computers in one licence ============= As far as getting less value, there was no extra charge for the synch function so taking it away has no effect, a great many Ancestry users never use all the facilities available but they pay the same subscription Some don't synch or have never had a tree on Ancestry at all, others have a tree but don't use the site either at all or only for short periods, they still pay the same Ancestry have mooted that they are looking at adding more printing and report options to the online tree version, but as you have yours on FTM you can continue to use it as you are doing The vast amount of records on Ancestry is only growing larger, even when synch finishes you can still download the record and attach it to your tree Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/12/2015 19:40, Pontefract FHS via wrote: > Some very interesting comments from Ancestry, but lots of ifs and maybes. > > The comments about there being no rush and plenty of time do not take into > account a financial consideration. To use the tree facility online a > subscription is needed. > > Both my husband and myself use FTM and link trees to Ancestry, that is we > both have our own accounts and trees. So 2 lots of software and 2 > subscriptions from one house. > When choosing to use FTM, one of the considerations was the vast amount of > records on Ancestry, linking these images to our trees and the Sync > facility. > > My husbands subscription is due at the end of January, so if he chooses to > renew he will have the benefit of the Sync for 11 months. My subscription > runs out in July, if I choose to renew I will have the benefit of the Sync > for 5 months, but I will still have to pay the same amount as my husband for > less benefits. > > Plus the online version has far fewer features than the desktop version. > > I don't see Ancestry reducing their subscriptions in line with reducing > their facilities. Which is at present prices £240 for us. > > Sharon Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Some very interesting comments from Ancestry, but lots of ifs and maybes. The comments about there being no rush and plenty of time do not take into account a financial consideration. To use the tree facility online a subscription is needed. Both my husband and myself use FTM and link trees to Ancestry, that is we both have our own accounts and trees. So 2 lots of software and 2 subscriptions from one house. When choosing to use FTM, one of the considerations was the vast amount of records on Ancestry, linking these images to our trees and the Sync facility. My husbands subscription is due at the end of January, so if he chooses to renew he will have the benefit of the Sync for 11 months. My subscription runs out in July, if I choose to renew I will have the benefit of the Sync for 5 months, but I will still have to pay the same amount as my husband for less benefits. Plus the online version has far fewer features than the desktop version. I don't see Ancestry reducing their subscriptions in line with reducing their facilities. Which is at present prices £240 for us. Sharon Smith -----Original Message----- From: Victor Markham via Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:49 AM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Fw: Ancestry to Retire Family Tree Read this http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2015/12/09/more-information-on-family-tree-maker-desktop-software/ Victor On 09/12/2015 10:11 PM, Victor Markham via wrote: > My Family Historian tree is on my computer. That is where all my details > are kept. I download all images to my computer, or more correctly One > Drive, and copy them to my software tree under the Project name. > > The Family Historian software allows one to set up a project file where > all images are copied into this file and appear on the tree. > > The tree I have on Ancestry is a very old tree which suits me fine to > get contacts from others searching the same name. > > Because my Project file is stored on One Drive it means I can access it > via my desktop or laptop. > > I am not bothered about the end of FTM as it is only there to get links > to other peoples trees via that tree. > > It is always possible that another company may take over FTM. Whether > that happens or not only time will tell. > > We all have our way of doing things and developed that over the years. > > Victor > > On 09/12/2015 9:50 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: >> Hi Elaine >> >> Yes Ancestry allows gedcom export but does not include images >> >> So if a user only has an online tree with images attached on Ancestry, >> the easiest way would be to buy a copy of FTM2012 or FTM2014 and synch >> the two, thereby downloading a complete copy of the Ancestry tree with >> images >> >> Then you can probably import the resulting FTM file on the host computer >> into other software packages, no doubt some things would differ but the >> main tree would be as on FTM >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 09/12/2015 19:27, Elaine Pickard via wrote: >>> Just to have my two cents worth. >>> >>> I use "Legacy" Deluxe which I believe cost me all of $25. That is my >>> working tree. I then use a ged file to upload where I wish. I encourage >>> contacts to try "Tribalpages" (free) >>> one of the places I have `parked`my tree. Has worked for me for about 16 >>> years. >>> >>> Does FTM NOT allow Ged files to be extracted.............. >>> >>> Elaine Pickard >>> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin >>> www.sheffieldindexers.com >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some entertaining comments :-) Andy At 11:49 11/12/2015, you wrote: >Read this > >http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2015/12/09/more-information-on-family-tree-maker-desktop-software/ > >Victor

Here are some of my thoughts on Ancestry type sites and genealogy programs, after doing this for decades and having accumulated well over 10,000 ancestral connections, hundreds, or perhaps thousands, of documents, maps, historical records and photos. They are all organized in about fifteen 2" to 5" binders in addition to the computer databases. Do not use any genealogy database that requires the support of some online company. I, and tens of thousands of others, have used "Brother's Keeper" for years with no problems what so ever. You will be able to pass it along to your kids with all your data and it will work, as long as they are using the Windows format. In addition to exporting and importing GED files, it also can output reports in RTF, usable by any one, with almost any type of word processor. I have never found anything on Ancestor that I did not have already, mostly for free, from somewhere else, with one exception. People post their family trees on Ancestry to share them and one can sometimes find new info from those trees. The problem is, that it's usually no thanks to Ancestry, but to their individual paying customers. In other words, they let you upload your info, that you have likely worked hard to get, sometimes for years, then sell access to that info to others. Some one-name-study sites won't give their members total access to their database for fear they will post it on Ancestry. There is a lot of personnel info in genealogy databases, especially in the "Notes" section, that has no business being in commercial hands. Its also disrespectful to some of the people in the database who may not want all of their info out there for the world to see or misuse. Be sure, no matter what program you use, to print-out all of the info, in the many of the different types of reports that are usually available. Those hard copies can be invaluable. I prefer to use the Registry Report as it will show all the details and notes, from what ever ancestor you chose to start with, up until the present. I print them out from the beginning of dozens of family lines, put them in sheet covers and then into labelled and indexed binders. When ever I make significant updates or corrections to that line, I do a new print-out. It also facilitates adding maps, photos, etc, also in sheet protectors, to the database printout. If you have thousands of names in your database, be sure to print-out an index to all reports. Those indexes can be invaluable. Hope this helps some of you. Douglas Geddes Ontario, Canada

Read this http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2015/12/09/more-information-on-family-tree-maker-desktop-software/ Victor On 09/12/2015 10:11 PM, Victor Markham via wrote: > My Family Historian tree is on my computer. That is where all my details > are kept. I download all images to my computer, or more correctly One > Drive, and copy them to my software tree under the Project name. > > The Family Historian software allows one to set up a project file where > all images are copied into this file and appear on the tree. > > The tree I have on Ancestry is a very old tree which suits me fine to > get contacts from others searching the same name. > > Because my Project file is stored on One Drive it means I can access it > via my desktop or laptop. > > I am not bothered about the end of FTM as it is only there to get links > to other peoples trees via that tree. > > It is always possible that another company may take over FTM. Whether > that happens or not only time will tell. > > We all have our way of doing things and developed that over the years. > > Victor > > On 09/12/2015 9:50 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: >> Hi Elaine >> >> Yes Ancestry allows gedcom export but does not include images >> >> So if a user only has an online tree with images attached on Ancestry, >> the easiest way would be to buy a copy of FTM2012 or FTM2014 and synch >> the two, thereby downloading a complete copy of the Ancestry tree with >> images >> >> Then you can probably import the resulting FTM file on the host computer >> into other software packages, no doubt some things would differ but the >> main tree would be as on FTM >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 09/12/2015 19:27, Elaine Pickard via wrote: >>> Just to have my two cents worth. >>> >>> I use "Legacy" Deluxe which I believe cost me all of $25. That is my >>> working tree. I then use a ged file to upload where I wish. I encourage >>> contacts to try "Tribalpages" (free) >>> one of the places I have `parked`my tree. Has worked for me for about 16 >>> years. >>> >>> Does FTM NOT allow Ged files to be extracted.............. >>> >>> Elaine Pickard >>> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin >>> www.sheffieldindexers.com >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nivard I haver not used My Heritage. When I upgraded to FH 6 it included this just like FTM does with Ancestry. Since I had no wish to subscribe to My heritage on top of Ancestry I turned off the link. I have had a quick look at My Heritage site and it appears there are a lot of names link to that and others could have also uploaded their trees to it. If anyone wants to know more about this they can subscribe to FHUG (Family Historian Users Group) and ask to find out more about the software (you don't have to have FH to join this group) Like you said there is no hurry but other may like to investigate the options they have. For the record I have used FH from the time it was first released. Once the software is installed you can add free apps to help you with a lot of things. The best app is Ancestral Sources these aids you in adding census details which is that no matter how large the family is you just add the names in one go plus the image. Victor On 10/12/2015 10:08 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi Victor > > Yes, I am talking about the Synch between Ancestry and Family Tree Maker > but users would still have the shaky leaves and hints etc > > And the ability to attach records to their trees from Ancestry and > separately to FTM by downloading them as was always the way pre synch > facility > > The value was the ability to change information on Ancestry trees or in > FTM and automatically synch between the two > > My Heritage doesn't have any records does it? so there is little value > of synch'ing between Family Historian and My Heritage as far as I can see > > As I said previously, there is no rush anyway, I am sure they will be > lining up with offers to induce FTM users to swap over, but as said, > none offer a synch facility so what would be the big advantage in > swapping prematurely > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 10/12/2015 21:51, Victor Markham via wrote: >> If you are talking about the FTM sync with Ancestry. Family Historian >> has a sync with My Heritage. >> >> Anyone can watch a demo of Family Historian, which is British, and also >> have a 30 day free trail. Just go to the FH website >> >> Victor > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Victor Yes, I am talking about the Synch between Ancestry and Family Tree Maker but users would still have the shaky leaves and hints etc And the ability to attach records to their trees from Ancestry and separately to FTM by downloading them as was always the way pre synch facility The value was the ability to change information on Ancestry trees or in FTM and automatically synch between the two My Heritage doesn't have any records does it? so there is little value of synch'ing between Family Historian and My Heritage as far as I can see As I said previously, there is no rush anyway, I am sure they will be lining up with offers to induce FTM users to swap over, but as said, none offer a synch facility so what would be the big advantage in swapping prematurely Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/12/2015 21:51, Victor Markham via wrote: > If you are talking about the FTM sync with Ancestry. Family Historian > has a sync with My Heritage. > > Anyone can watch a demo of Family Historian, which is British, and also > have a 30 day free trail. Just go to the FH website > > Victor --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

If you are talking about the FTM sync with Ancestry. Family Historian has a sync with My Heritage. Anyone can watch a demo of Family Historian, which is British, and also have a 30 day free trail. Just go to the FH website Victor On 10/12/2015 5:55 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > I suspect there will be other software suppliers offering their own > deals to entice FTM users to them > > But can't see the rush myself > > The thing FTM users will lose is the synch function in just over a years > time, but as no other software bar FTM can synch or is ever likely to, > what do the others offer over and above FTM? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 10/12/2015 16:31, Victor Markham via wrote: >> This appeared on Facebook >> >> Following the recent announcement by Ancestry that Family Tree Maker >> will be discontinued, Calico Pie has today offered a 20% discount off >> the price of download licences for Family Historian 6, to users of >> Family Tree Maker. The offer is open until the end of January 2016. See >> http://bit.ly/ftmtofh >> <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fftmtofh&h=0AQFQL4iSAQFSkzPNelB6UREumaF7oqY1Q0C0Ic1A3KoiLA&enc=AZOBuBHxJREy2ZirM9CkXCEqSOITSBv7EXscHYmNI2ZAvji5cMbLgp9C5vPcvNRwX_6UsUw5XcJYpiRYT4RXzdXIF_ixBiuVwlypEkAd7D7njKHj730URksmByDsJGJJg74gvCJMDAUyDK4nONBWZA-Ra_fYHgRV_vCll8ktgQE1dyk1LJThzyQaRwmuBXeBKCkw7wJQvCQJR0WZs6dUSQSq&s=1> >> >> for more information, >> >> Victor > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suspect there will be other software suppliers offering their own deals to entice FTM users to them But can't see the rush myself The thing FTM users will lose is the synch function in just over a years time, but as no other software bar FTM can synch or is ever likely to, what do the others offer over and above FTM? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/12/2015 16:31, Victor Markham via wrote: > This appeared on Facebook > > Following the recent announcement by Ancestry that Family Tree Maker > will be discontinued, Calico Pie has today offered a 20% discount off > the price of download licences for Family Historian 6, to users of > Family Tree Maker. The offer is open until the end of January 2016. See > http://bit.ly/ftmtofh > <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fftmtofh&h=0AQFQL4iSAQFSkzPNelB6UREumaF7oqY1Q0C0Ic1A3KoiLA&enc=AZOBuBHxJREy2ZirM9CkXCEqSOITSBv7EXscHYmNI2ZAvji5cMbLgp9C5vPcvNRwX_6UsUw5XcJYpiRYT4RXzdXIF_ixBiuVwlypEkAd7D7njKHj730URksmByDsJGJJg74gvCJMDAUyDK4nONBWZA-Ra_fYHgRV_vCll8ktgQE1dyk1LJThzyQaRwmuBXeBKCkw7wJQvCQJR0WZs6dUSQSq&s=1> > > for more information, > > Victor --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

This appeared on Facebook Following the recent announcement by Ancestry that Family Tree Maker will be discontinued, Calico Pie has today offered a 20% discount off the price of download licences for Family Historian 6, to users of Family Tree Maker. The offer is open until the end of January 2016. See http://bit.ly/ftmtofh <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Fftmtofh&h=0AQFQL4iSAQFSkzPNelB6UREumaF7oqY1Q0C0Ic1A3KoiLA&enc=AZOBuBHxJREy2ZirM9CkXCEqSOITSBv7EXscHYmNI2ZAvji5cMbLgp9C5vPcvNRwX_6UsUw5XcJYpiRYT4RXzdXIF_ixBiuVwlypEkAd7D7njKHj730URksmByDsJGJJg74gvCJMDAUyDK4nONBWZA-Ra_fYHgRV_vCll8ktgQE1dyk1LJThzyQaRwmuBXeBKCkw7wJQvCQJR0WZs6dUSQSq&s=1> for more information, Victor On 09/12/2015 10:11 PM, Victor Markham via wrote: > My Family Historian tree is on my computer. That is where all my details > are kept. I download all images to my computer, or more correctly One > Drive, and copy them to my software tree under the Project name. > > The Family Historian software allows one to set up a project file where > all images are copied into this file and appear on the tree. > > The tree I have on Ancestry is a very old tree which suits me fine to > get contacts from others searching the same name. > > Because my Project file is stored on One Drive it means I can access it > via my desktop or laptop. > > I am not bothered about the end of FTM as it is only there to get links > to other peoples trees via that tree. > > It is always possible that another company may take over FTM. Whether > that happens or not only time will tell. > > We all have our way of doing things and developed that over the years. > > Victor > > On 09/12/2015 9:50 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: >> Hi Elaine >> >> Yes Ancestry allows gedcom export but does not include images >> >> So if a user only has an online tree with images attached on Ancestry, >> the easiest way would be to buy a copy of FTM2012 or FTM2014 and synch >> the two, thereby downloading a complete copy of the Ancestry tree with >> images >> >> Then you can probably import the resulting FTM file on the host computer >> into other software packages, no doubt some things would differ but the >> main tree would be as on FTM >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 09/12/2015 19:27, Elaine Pickard via wrote: >>> Just to have my two cents worth. >>> >>> I use "Legacy" Deluxe which I believe cost me all of $25. That is my >>> working tree. I then use a ged file to upload where I wish. I encourage >>> contacts to try "Tribalpages" (free) >>> one of the places I have `parked`my tree. Has worked for me for about 16 >>> years. >>> >>> Does FTM NOT allow Ged files to be extracted.............. >>> >>> Elaine Pickard >>> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin >>> www.sheffieldindexers.com >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lois The only realistic way of making a copy of a tree on Ancestry to include all images is to get a copy of FTM2012 or FTM2014 which can synch between your computer and Ancestry Once synch'd you should have a complete copy of all data on Ancestry in your tree, (each tree would have to be done if you have more than one) Once you have it on your computer you can make a back up of that file and keep it elsewhere and also import that file into other packages should you wish to Support will end 31st Dec 2016 and synch also at the same time but that is not clear as yet but FTM would continue to work on your computer The cost of FTM would be small compared to the hours of typing involved doing it manually You can download a gedcom from Ancestry very easily but they do not include images attached to your tree, just the basic data Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/12/2015 17:10, Lois B. via wrote: > I have large trees on both Ancestry.com and Ancestry.co.uk. I barely > use their records at all, it was mostly a place to park my trees. > > I don't feel that I can trust Ancestry anymore and would like to have > my trees somewhere else besides just with them. Not being very tech > savvy, can anyone advise me on how to get the information from > Ancestry, including pictures and sources, onto something without > re-typing the entire thing? Ideally, it would be without re-doing > any of it, just transferring it. > > I was going to put it onto a thumb drive over Christmas holidays. > Would that be a good idea? If so, then where to go from there? > > Best wishes, Lois Blackburn Massachusetts, USA --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

My Family Historian tree is on my computer. That is where all my details are kept. I download all images to my computer, or more correctly One Drive, and copy them to my software tree under the Project name. The Family Historian software allows one to set up a project file where all images are copied into this file and appear on the tree. The tree I have on Ancestry is a very old tree which suits me fine to get contacts from others searching the same name. Because my Project file is stored on One Drive it means I can access it via my desktop or laptop. I am not bothered about the end of FTM as it is only there to get links to other peoples trees via that tree. It is always possible that another company may take over FTM. Whether that happens or not only time will tell. We all have our way of doing things and developed that over the years. Victor On 09/12/2015 9:50 PM, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Hi Elaine > > Yes Ancestry allows gedcom export but does not include images > > So if a user only has an online tree with images attached on Ancestry, > the easiest way would be to buy a copy of FTM2012 or FTM2014 and synch > the two, thereby downloading a complete copy of the Ancestry tree with > images > > Then you can probably import the resulting FTM file on the host computer > into other software packages, no doubt some things would differ but the > main tree would be as on FTM > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 09/12/2015 19:27, Elaine Pickard via wrote: >> Just to have my two cents worth. >> >> I use "Legacy" Deluxe which I believe cost me all of $25. That is my >> working tree. I then use a ged file to upload where I wish. I encourage >> contacts to try "Tribalpages" (free) >> one of the places I have `parked`my tree. Has worked for me for about 16 >> years. >> >> Does FTM NOT allow Ged files to be extracted.............. >> >> Elaine Pickard >> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin >> www.sheffieldindexers.com > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hull History Centre, in Worship Street Hull, kindly advise that they have a copy of this Monumental Inscription booklet by the EYFHS. But the original by Jonathon Barton is kept at the Treasure House in Beverley. I presume the Treasure House would also have the booklet. I wonder if anyone has actually seen it. My WEBSTER family was very much involved with Hull HT over the exact period in which the graveyard was in use. But I have never heard of a gravestone inscription which, as you'd well imagine, would be highly exciting. Bill Webster Australia -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE WILLOTT via Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2015 7:35 PM To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com; historydb; victor@markham.me.uk; yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Hull Holy Trinity Burial Ground update Sorry all, Yvonne and I should have shared the rest of our conversation with you. Now there are 2 main record offices. The East Yorkshire Office is in Beverley and the City has an archive in Hull. The date of this deposition is in the 19hC when there was an East Riding so the conclusion was that the deposit was in Beverley. Of course (fingers slapped) I could have looked in the online catalogue. Might be another useful source of info though. Chris ----Original message---- >From : yorksgen@rootsweb.com Date : 09/12/2015 - 06:44 (GMT) To : victor@markham.me.uk, yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [YORKSGEN] Hull Holy Trinity Burial Ground update The County Records Office is at Beverley Alan Longbottom -----Original Message----- From: yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:yorksgen-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Victor Markham via Sent: 08 December 2015 21:59 To: yorksgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Hull Holy Trinity Burial Ground update Hi Chris Since we talking about Holy Trinity Church Hull I would say they are in the Treasure House in Hull Victor On 08/12/2015 5:08 PM, CHRISTINE WILLOTT via wrote: > Hi Yvonne > > When it says County record office, is this the Treasure House at > Beverley or is it the archives in Hull? > > Chris > ----Original message---- > >From : yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Date : 08/12/2015 - 09:55 (GMT) > To : yorksgen@rootsweb.com > Subject : Re: [YORKSGEN] Hull Holy Trinity Burial Ground update > > Dear Bill & Margaret > > According to the MI booklet from EYFHS for Holy Trinity, Hull................ > > These monumental inscriptions in the churchyard of Holy Trinity, > Kingston upon Hull were > recorded in the early 1860s by the then vestry clerk and were later deposited with the > Holy Trinity ecclesiastical records in the County Archives Office. > The frontispiece reads > as follows:- Copies of all the legible inscriptions in the Churchyard > of the Holy Trinity > Kingston upon Hull in December 1860 & February 1861, by me, Jno > Barton, Vestry Clerk. > > > Yvonne > in Stillingfleet > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Elaine Yes Ancestry allows gedcom export but does not include images So if a user only has an online tree with images attached on Ancestry, the easiest way would be to buy a copy of FTM2012 or FTM2014 and synch the two, thereby downloading a complete copy of the Ancestry tree with images Then you can probably import the resulting FTM file on the host computer into other software packages, no doubt some things would differ but the main tree would be as on FTM Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/12/2015 19:27, Elaine Pickard via wrote: > Just to have my two cents worth. > > I use "Legacy" Deluxe which I believe cost me all of $25. That is my > working tree. I then use a ged file to upload where I wish. I encourage > contacts to try "Tribalpages" (free) > one of the places I have `parked`my tree. Has worked for me for about 16 > years. > > Does FTM NOT allow Ged files to be extracted.............. > > Elaine Pickard > Sheffield Indexers Site Admin > www.sheffieldindexers.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Sharon I am not disagreeing with anyone, just stating the facts, I don't use FTM personally I am not suggesting you are wrong, just stating the way it is at present, I am no supporter of the seemingly endless drive towards mobile devices which to me are hopeless as a means of research NB The support for FTM ends at the *end* of *2016* (not 31 Dec 2015) There is no urgent need to do anything, you have plenty of time to decide after weighing up the pros and cons of other software Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/12/2015 17:32, pontefhs@btinternet.com via wrote: > It is personal preference, I prefer to have my tree, images and data on my laptop and use the great feature of Ancestry and FTM sync so that I can work on my tree when my laptop is not available. I even use my phone sometimes and then Sync back to my tree when I am at home > > Yes I could still use FTM but as of 31 Dec 2015 it is not supported. > > I am very aware of progress and how things change, as I use Cloud based software for my job. > > But I will be removing my trees from Ancestry as they contain many images, notes etc gathered over 35 years of research and will be migrating to a supported software. > > The new interface of Ancestry trees is also another reason I will not be subscribing again, it is the worst online interface I have seen and have heard reports of places and facts being changed to "conform" to Ancestry, it hasn't happened to me, but I have lost a lot of faith in them. > > You may not agree Nivard, but we all have our personal preferences and ways of working. > > Sharon Smith > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Everybody, This an interesting thread and I feel that Nivard's comments are sensible and accurate. It appears there is an error in Sharon's message as the one from Ancestry states support will last till at least 1st January 2017 and Tree Sync will continue to work during that period. It seems therefore that there is no great urgency for people to change and I would recommend that careful consideration is given to other available F.H. software. I have several trees on PAF, have also got them imported to FTM and also on Roots Magic. If I want to look at something quickly I often refer to PAF as it can save time but that is purely my preference and I expect some people will disagree. Anyway, Happy Christmas everybody. Rod in Hampshire. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

It is personal preference, I prefer to have my tree, images and data on my laptop and use the great feature of Ancestry and FTM sync so that I can work on my tree when my laptop is not available. I even use my phone sometimes and then Sync back to my tree when I am at home Yes I could still use FTM but as of 31 Dec 2015 it is not supported. I am very aware of progress and how things change, as I use Cloud based software for my job. But I will be removing my trees from Ancestry as they contain many images, notes etc gathered over 35 years of research and will be migrating to a supported software. The new interface of Ancestry trees is also another reason I will not be subscribing again, it is the worst online interface I have seen and have heard reports of places and facts being changed to "conform" to Ancestry, it hasn't happened to me, but I have lost a lot of faith in them. You may not agree Nivard, but we all have our personal preferences and ways of working. Sharon Smith Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington via" <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> To: <yorksgen@rootsweb.com> Subject: [YORKSGEN] Fw: Ancestry to Retire Family Tree Maker Software Date: Wed, Dec 9, 2015 11:46 I really don't see the connection More people use Ancestry for records than the online trees and are likely to continue doing so The online trees will still be on Ancestry The user will still be able to download any record they have access to on Ancestry I see no need to migrate to another program, a program that is likely to be obsolete fairly soon as all stand alone programs cease to be produced in time As to people not subscribing again or cancelling, in my experience, each time something happens and changes are made to Ancestry, Findmypast or other site, people complain and *say* they will leave or not subscribe again, but most still do as they want the records As more mobile device users use web sites the sites are going to cater for them in preference to the stand alone user, computers are selling less and smartphones/tablets are increasing We may not like it but thats progress Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/12/2015 11:36, Pontefract FHS wrote: > Yes Ancestry do have more records than others, but I personally use FTM > as it helps to search these ever growing records. By using their Sync > process the images are already on my computer but this of course will > stop. As I have a large One Name Study as one of my Ancestry trees the > process of searching, downloading and manually linking images to the > relevant persons will be a very long winded process and of course all my > research for this study and my personal trees will have to be migrated > to another family tree software and that is not always a smooth > operation, as I do use other software to build my personal website and > some items in FTM Gedcom export do not read correctly into other programs. > > I personally feel that Ancestry are going to loose many many customers, > looking at the blog on this subject many are already cancelling their > subscriptions. > > They say they are adding more records (majority USA) and are building > more resources for the benefit of their LOYAL community, but as far as I > can see this is no benefit to anyone > > Sharon Smith --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message