As long as the administrator of this project keeps the topics on track and the argument to a minimum I will gladly participate. I for one am tired of the constant argument on other boards, forums, and lists. I have used the below to adequately track Offaly - Kilkenny Clan O'Nolan to the Milesian Legends of Ireland. I believe other project administraors could possibly track some lineages this way also. It is the higher values at these markers that lead back in time. Please see Of the Nolans @ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nolenancestry/page12.html or the Nolan DNA Project home page @ http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/nolan/ Below is my DYS #385a and 385b Mutation Chart Example: Generation 1: 11 and 14 (Modal) Generation 2: 11 and 15 (Mutation for oldest male) everyone else at modal Generation 3: 11 and 14 (Modal) everyone at modal except generation two descendants Generation 4-30: 11 and 14 (Modal) everyone at modal except generation two descendants ____________________________________________________________ Generation 2a: 11 and 16 (Mutation for oldest male) everyone at modal except for generation two descendants at 11 and 15 Generation 2a 1-30: 11 and 16 Everyone at modal except for generation two descendants at 11 and 15 _____________________________________________________________ Generation 2a-2: 11 and 17 (Mutation for oldest male) everyone at modal except for generation two descendants at 11 and 15, and generation 2a descendants at 11 and 16 Generation 2a-2 1-30: 11 and 17 Everyone at modal except for generation two descendants at 11 and 15 and generation 2a descendants at 11 and 16 __________________________________________________________________ Generation 2a-3: 11 and 18 (Mutation for oldest male) everyone at modal except for generation two descendants at 11 and 15, generation 2a descendants at 11 and 16, and generation 2a-2 at 11 and 17 Generation 2a-3 1-30: 11 and 18 Everyone at modal except for generation two descendants at 11 and 15, generation 2a descendants at 11 and 16, and generation 2a-2 at 11 and 17 _____________________________________________________________________ * Mutations recorded in the second generation and oldest male for brevity and does not include the inevitable mutation at DYS #385a from 11 to 12 or 11 to 10. This example also pertains to the back mutation from 11 and 14, 11 and 13, 11 and 12, etc… Obviously, recLOH events can occur at the 11 and 11, 12 and 12, 13 and 13, and 14 and 14 values. Thanks, Glenn Allen Nolen [email protected]

While there's nothing wrong with healthy debate -- you learn more from people disagreeing with you than you do by everyone agreeing with you -- you can be confident that your listmom has zero tolerance for insults and other unseemly behavior. This list is not a locker room, it's a tea party -- or coffee house if you prefer. There is an open invitation for all to attend. There is also a bouncer behind the door. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Glenn Nolen > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Nolan DNA Surname Project and use of DYS 385a and385b! > > As long as the administrator of this project keeps the topics > on track and the argument to a minimum I will gladly participate. > I for one am tired of the constant argument on other boards, > forums, and lists. <snip>