Hey now, watch it! Diana says very plainly, "The topic of this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of haplogroup projects is off topic for this list." ;-) Richard ---- Raymond Wing <[email protected]> wrote: I am the administrator for the Wing Y-DNA Project. Thus far, virtually all of the Wings tested had a paper-trail line going back to one of the three sons of Rev. John Wing (1584-1630 died shortly before the family emigrated to Lynn, Mass.) One interesting result with the DNA testing is the discovery of an early NPE in the line. We were able to identify the genetic family line (as it was a perfect 37/37 marker match to the modal value of the other family) and with this connection, have been able to likely identify when this NPE event occurred. However, the Wing Family of America, Inc. (a family association of the descendants of Rev. John Wing) has voted NOT to publish this result. I don't personally agree with this decision (as I believe people have the right to know, especially those who descend from this line) It is also interesting that the surname of Wing seemingly has the etymology from the Vikings. The two Manors of Wing in England are both in that portion of England which fell under the Danelaw. In addition, the word Wing is of Viking origin. The Anglo-Saxon terminology was (modern day) feather. I raise this issue because the Wing family Haplogroup is R1b... (not a strong Viking Haplogroup) We had a gentleman in England whose surname is Wing tested and his Haplogroup was I (which is a stronger indicator of Viking background than R1b) Recently a record was found where a parish priest was punished for having an affair with the wife of a John Wing in England. It makes me wonder if Rev. John Wing was a descendant of this affair? Raymond T. Wing Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA] www.wingfamily.org The topic of this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of geographic, haplogroup, or mtDNA projects is off topic for this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The topic of this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of geographic, haplogroup, or mtDNA projects is off topic for this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Members will not correct other members for being off topic. That is my prerogative as list admin. If you have a complaint, about anything, message me offlist. You can reach the admin of any RootsWeb mailing list using an address of this form: [email protected] So the listadmin address for this list is [email protected] Sorry you had to be the first one to bump into this, and I see by the smiley that you must have meant it as a joke. But there are not going to be any arguments started on the list because one member declares another off topic. I am seldom away from my computer for more than eight hours (if I should be so lucky as to get that much sleep), so even an off topic thread will not go on for long. Please leave it to me to declare a message or thread off topic, and please just hit your Del key until I do. Thank you, Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] On Behalf Of RT > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] out of wedlock births, adoptions, etc. > > Hey now, watch it! Diana says very plainly, "The topic of > this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of > haplogroup projects is off topic for this list." > > ;-) > > Richard >

Diana, Because I administer a couple of the "off-topic" projects, I want to be sure I understand the scope of your list fully. I should add that I am extremely greatful for you starting a list like this. I've lamented the absence of list were we can actually discuss the practical applications of DNA testing to our traditional genealogy research. How far we can stray into topics of deep ancestry, ethnicity and geography (seperate from associated projects)? These are all likely relevent discussion points for surname origins and distribution, to which YDNA testing can contribute to our understanding. For example, even though they not related within a genealogical time frame, most of my WESTONs (including myself) are haplogroup I1* or R1a, which have close affinities to the Scandinavians, presumably Dane and Norse Viking. This has provided me with avenues of research for solidly identifying the first WESTON surname progenitors beyond the questionable paper trails. Since haplogroups and geographic are key to this line of discussion would I be getting off topic with this line of discussion? Cheers, David. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: July 24, 2008 2:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] off topic Members will not correct other members for being off topic. That is my prerogative as list admin. If you have a complaint, about anything, message me offlist. You can reach the admin of any RootsWeb mailing list using an address of this form: [email protected] So the listadmin address for this list is [email protected] Sorry you had to be the first one to bump into this, and I see by the smiley that you must have meant it as a joke. But there are not going to be any arguments started on the list because one member declares another off topic. I am seldom away from my computer for more than eight hours (if I should be so lucky as to get that much sleep), so even an off topic thread will not go on for long. Please leave it to me to declare a message or thread off topic, and please just hit your Del key until I do. Thank you, Diana

Thank you for asking, David, and for giving me an opportunity to discuss the reasons for the limitations of the list. I'm going to be pretty strict about keeping the focus here on STR testing and Y-DNA surname projects, in genealogical time. It is not my intention for this list to compete with GENEALOGY-DNA where haplogroups, ethnicity, and deep ancestry are major topics of discussion. Please keep in mind that RootsWeb would not have given me this list if I hadn't defined it in such a way that it doesn't compete with existing lists. When you reach the point in your research where you're sliding off the paper trail and correlating haplogroups, geography, and ethnicity, you are really at the point where the discussion would be better taken to a haplogroup list or regional list, anyway. But here, too, the reason for restricting discussion on this list is not that there is no intellectual connection between the topics, but that I've had to narrowly define the list in order to get the list. So, to answer you directly... Yes, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I would have to consider the topics you mention in your last paragraph to be off topic for the list. Diana P.S. Your query brings up the issue of creating mailing lists, so I'll start another thread. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] On Behalf Of David Weston > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] off topic > > Diana, > > Because I administer a couple of the "off-topic" projects, I > want to be sure I understand the scope > of your list fully. I should add that I am extremely > greatful for you starting a list like this. > I've lamented the absence of list were we can actually > discuss the practical applications of DNA > testing to our traditional genealogy research. > > How far we can stray into topics of deep ancestry, ethnicity > and geography (seperate from associated > projects)? These are all likely relevent discussion points > for surname origins and distribution, to > which YDNA testing can contribute to our understanding. > > For example, even though they not related within a > genealogical time frame, most of my WESTONs > (including myself) are haplogroup I1* or R1a, which have > close affinities to the Scandinavians, > presumably Dane and Norse Viking. This has provided me with > avenues of research for solidly > identifying the first WESTON surname progenitors beyond the > questionable paper trails. Since > haplogroups and geographic are key to this line of discussion > would I be getting off topic with this > line of discussion? > > Cheers, David. >