Hello, I am very interested to hear how various surname project admins handle known non-paternal events (NPE) (or what ever your prefer to call them) in their projects, i.e. out of wedlock births, adoptions, etc.. Do you include people in your projects who descended from a known NPE? For example, my wife's paternal line (THURLOW) descends from a well documented out-of-wedlock birth in 1825. Would you have some one like this in your project? It helps in this case that I run the THURLOW DNA Project so I had no choice really but to include my wife's line :-) I did have another THURLOW in the same situation decide against testing because of the NPE. He figure there was no point since finding the documentation to establish any paternal bloodline connection was unlikely even with a YDNA match. With my WESTON project I have previously been approached by an adoptee whose birth father was a WESTON. The fellow had taken a YDNA test in hopes of tracking him. I had actually had a found a likely related match for him through SMGF. The match happened to by with a long-time correspondent of mine. Unfortunately, the MRCA was likely back in the 1700s so no use to this fellows search for his father. I didn't violate any ones privacy and didn't pass on any info that wasn't already public or that I didn't have permission to relay. Still it felt a little awkward. Thank you in advance for sharing your experience in this regard. Cheers, David.

I am the administrator for the Wing Y-DNA Project. Thus far, virtually all of the Wings tested had a paper-trail line going back to one of the three sons of Rev. John Wing (1584-1630 died shortly before the family emigrated to Lynn, Mass.) One interesting result with the DNA testing is the discovery of an early NPE in the line. We were able to identify the genetic family line (as it was a perfect 37/37 marker match to the modal value of the other family) and with this connection, have been able to likely identify when this NPE event occurred. However, the Wing Family of America, Inc. (a family association of the descendants of Rev. John Wing) has voted NOT to publish this result. I don't personally agree with this decision (as I believe people have the right to know, especially those who descend from this line) It is also interesting that the surname of Wing seemingly has the etymology from the Vikings. The two Manors of Wing in England are both in that portion of England which fell under the Danelaw. In addition, the word Wing is of Viking origin. The Anglo-Saxon terminology was (modern day) feather. I raise this issue because the Wing family Haplogroup is R1b... (not a strong Viking Haplogroup) We had a gentleman in England whose surname is Wing tested and his Haplogroup was I (which is a stronger indicator of Viking background than R1b) Recently a record was found where a parish priest was punished for having an affair with the wife of a John Wing in England.  It makes me wonder if Rev. John Wing was a descendant of this affair? Raymond T. Wing Genealogist, Wing Family of America, Inc. [WFA] www.wingfamily.org --- On Wed, 7/23/08, David Weston <[email protected]> wrote: From: David Weston <[email protected]> Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] out of wedlock births, adoptions, etc. To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 9:08 PM Hello, I am very interested to hear how various surname project admins handle known non-paternal events (NPE) (or what ever your prefer to call them) in their projects, i.e. out of wedlock births, adoptions, etc.. Do you include people in your projects who descended from a known NPE? For example, my wife's paternal line (THURLOW) descends from a well documented out-of-wedlock birth in 1825. Would you have some one like this in your project? It helps in this case that I run the THURLOW DNA Project so I had no choice really but to include my wife's line :-) I did have another THURLOW in the same situation decide against testing because of the NPE. He figure there was no point since finding the documentation to establish any paternal bloodline connection was unlikely even with a YDNA match. With my WESTON project I have previously been approached by an adoptee whose birth father was a WESTON. The fellow had taken a YDNA test in hopes of tracking him. I had actually had a found a likely related match for him through SMGF. The match happened to by with a long-time correspondent of mine. Unfortunately, the MRCA was likely back in the 1700s so no use to this fellows search for his father. I didn't violate any ones privacy and didn't pass on any info that wasn't already public or that I didn't have permission to relay. Still it felt a little awkward. Thank you in advance for sharing your experience in this regard. Cheers, David. The topic of this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of geographic, haplogroup, or mtDNA projects is off topic for this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, From my perspective, it is not who you descend from, but what your present day surname is. Surnames were arbitrarily chosen or adopted at some time in the past, and it still happens today. Whoever was / is the first person of a line, to use the name, is the founder of that line, with that surname. Five hundred years from now, who cares, it is just important to document the name shift, if the original surname is known, or eventually found. Marleen Van Horne

Yes, I do allow people who uncover an NPE to stay in my project. You can't assume the NPE is "close in." It may be very far back, so there may be a great many people with that surname who would be a match for this person. The first person in the patrilineal line to bear the NPE has, in effect, founded a new dynasty for the surname. I suggest they also join the surname project of their "biological" surname. There is good reason to be tested, even if you know there's an adoption or illicit paternity in your patrilineal line. You may not be able to individually identify the unknown male, but you certainly can determine his surname and family. I have a page where I discuss the NPEs in my projects and the degree to which they have been resolved: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/NPE_Resolutions.shtml Uncovering an NPE is invariable a major shock to a member, but they should be encouraged that connecting to their "real" patrilineal ancestor is not entirely hopeless. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] On Behalf Of David Weston > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] out of wedlock births, adoptions, etc. > > Hello, > > I am very interested to hear how various surname project > admins handle known non-paternal events > (NPE) (or what ever your prefer to call them) in their > projects, i.e. out of wedlock births, > adoptions, etc.. > > Do you include people in your projects who descended from a > known NPE? For example, my wife's > paternal line (THURLOW) descends from a well documented > out-of-wedlock birth in 1825. Would you > have some one like this in your project? It helps in this > case that I run the THURLOW DNA Project > so I had no choice really but to include my wife's line :-) > I did have another THURLOW in the same > situation decide against testing because of the NPE. He > figure there was no point since finding the > documentation to establish any paternal bloodline connection > was unlikely even with a YDNA match. > > With my WESTON project I have previously been approached by > an adoptee whose birth father was a > WESTON. The fellow had taken a YDNA test in hopes of > tracking him. I had actually had a found a > likely related match for him through SMGF. The match > happened to by with a long-time correspondent > of mine. Unfortunately, the MRCA was likely back in the > 1700s so no use to this fellows search for > his father. I didn't violate any ones privacy and didn't > pass on any info that wasn't already > public or that I didn't have permission to relay. Still it > felt a little awkward. > > Thank you in advance for sharing your experience in this regard. > > Cheers, David. > > >