I don't understand why this is even considered an issue. After all, it IS his surname and that of his descendants; to throw them all out because you prefer a different group of ancestors is not very nice. That's shooting yourself in the foot, especially since it's already well-documented. That's what matters, the documented genealogy is the whole point. You just have to deal with another known line in your haplotypes. This can be handled. A vocal group in the Thrift project WANT very much to believe that they derive from an undocumented NPE ~1770, 700 miles away from their locale (supposedly a male from one particular Thrift family & some female other than his wife), despite the DNA evidence against it, and despite a general lack of other supporting evidence. It's funny, lots of folks enjoy being considered an outlaw, even if they aren't one. But, NPE or not, they are definitely a (by now, 200+ years later, very large!) family with this surname, and definitely have a place in the project. Richard ---- David Weston <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, I am very interested to hear how various surname project admins handle known non-paternal events (NPE) (or what ever your prefer to call them) in their projects, i.e. out of wedlock births, adoptions, etc.. Do you include people in your projects who descended from a known NPE? For example, my wife's paternal line (THURLOW) descends from a well documented out-of-wedlock birth in 1825. Would you have some one like this in your project? It helps in this case that I run the THURLOW DNA Project so I had no choice really but to include my wife's line :-) I did have another THURLOW in the same situation decide against testing because of the NPE. He figure there was no point since finding the documentation to establish any paternal bloodline connection was unlikely even with a YDNA match. With my WESTON project I have previously been approached by an adoptee whose birth father was a WESTON. The fellow had taken a YDNA test in hopes of tracking him. I had actually had a found a likely related match for him through SMGF. The match happened to by with a long-time correspondent of mine. Unfortunately, the MRCA was likely back in the 1700s so no use to this fellows search for his father. I didn't violate any ones privacy and didn't pass on any info that wasn't already public or that I didn't have permission to relay. Still it felt a little awkward. Thank you in advance for sharing your experience in this regard. Cheers, David. The topic of this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of geographic, haplogroup, or mtDNA projects is off topic for this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message