Diana, The man in question is predicted as R1b1b2 and is WAMH. At 25 markers he matches nearly all of my R1bs; not a great revelation considering the wide-spread nature of R1b. At 37 markers he matches 35/37 with five of the men in the project. So far in his lineage he does not seem to have crossed paths with any of the Clendenin/Glendinning men who have tested. What I find more interesting is that he has a McVitty with whom he matches 34/37. Since that is a variant of his surname I think researching with the other man would be more productive for him. In his second email he stated "...anyway, if you don't think I belong I'll go." I told him that wasn't necessary but that we needed to explore his lineage more. I have left this particular project open as men by the Clendenin/Glendinning surname seem to be very reluctant to be tested/spend the money. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] NPEs and other related issues >I don't have the problem of people simply appearing in my projects because I've > set the option on my GAP (Group Administrators Page) not to allow people to join > without my approval. In a case such as the one you relate, when I got his > request to join, we'd start having a discussion as to whether it would be > appropriate or not for him to do so. > > You don't say what haplogroup he was, how rare his haplotype is, or how close > his 35-marker matches are. These would figure into how likely it is that the > resemblance really means relationship. In any case, I would have him wait until > the 67 marker results come back before letting him in -- or turning him away. > > I would also ask him for his lineage, to see whether his family crossed paths at > any point with any of the families he is matching in your project. So far, in > each of the NPEs in my project, we've found a place where the families were > living in the same place at the same time. > > Diana > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Sharon Bryant >> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:35 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] NPEs and other related issues >> >> Hello again, >> >> Interestingly enough in my two largest projects, I have had >> very interesting requests to join. In fact just yesterday I >> received notice that I had a new project member whose surname >> is Mavitty. He joined the Clendenin/Glendinning project. >> >> When I questioned him about his lineage, I found that he >> knows nothing earlier than the immigrant who arrived in >> America in 1765. His reason for joining the project: the >> majority of his matches are men in my project or a couple of >> MacGregors. His membership came complete with 37 marker >> testing accomplished and an upgrade to 67 markers in the works. >> >> Has this type of thing to any of you? How did you handle it? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sharon > > > > ------------------------------- > The topic of this list is Y-DNA *surname* projects. Discussion of geographic, haplogroup, or mtDNA projects is off topic for this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ay, yi. R1b1b2-WAMH -- can it get any worse? I would suggest to him that if he wants to stay in your project, he ought to pay for the cost of an upgrade to 67 markers for one of his near matches in your project, or at the very least offer to split the cost. And he needs to make a similar offer to the McVITTY. He's the one with the problem. I'm not hesitant to press members to test to 67 markers or to upgrade others when they are the one with the question. When you consider what they're getting in terms of "bang for the buck," DNA testing is the biggest bargain in genealogy. For $200 bucks, this guy can find out whether he's really a MAVITTY or not. He could spend thousands on his paper genealogy and still not get an answer to that one. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] On Behalf Of Sharon Bryant > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] NPEs and other related issues > > Diana, > > The man in question is predicted as R1b1b2 and is WAMH. At 25 > markers he matches nearly all of my R1bs; not a great > revelation considering the wide-spread nature of R1b. At 37 > markers he matches 35/37 with five of the men in the project. > > So far in his lineage he does not seem to have crossed paths > with any of the Clendenin/Glendinning men who have tested. > What I find more interesting is that he has a McVitty with > whom he matches 34/37. Since that is a variant of his surname > I think researching with the other man would be more > productive for him. > > In his second email he stated "...anyway, if you don't think > I belong I'll go." I told him that wasn't necessary but that > we needed to explore his lineage more. > > I have left this particular project open as men by the > Clendenin/Glendinning surname seem to be very reluctant to be > tested/spend the money. > > Sharon >

I manage five surname projects: Congleton, Emerick, Foy, Oden, Van Horne and Sir William Johnson. With the exception of Sir William Johnson, all of these surnames are extrememly rare, although they were all present in North America in the colonial period. The Congleton surname appears in states that are now New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey and North Carolina. This project is almost a year old and has no members. The Emerick surname of various spellings, including Emery, appears in Pennsylvania and New York in the colonial period. There are about fourteen families with this surname, some of whom I believe to have been related. This project has one member The Foy surname is slightly less rare than the others, and appears in New York, Pennsylvania and the Carolinas. This project has no members. The Oden surname appears in Maryland, Virginia and South Carolina. Two unrelated genetic pedigrees / family lines have been identified. This project has 8 members. The Van Horne surname project of numerous spellings was established to identify the genetic pedigrees of the three immigrants to New Netherlands, in the 1600s, whose descendants took some version of this surname. We have identified the genetic pedigree of two of these men. The project has 15 members. The Sir William Johnson project is intended to help genealogists who believe they descend from this man either prove or disprove the connection. Sir William claimed to have fathered between 600 and 700 children. The mothers of most of these children were probably Native Americans, but there is evidence some of these mothers were of European ancestry. This project has two members. The biggest difficulty is finding a documented descendant of Sir William to compare to. All of these surnames, and Sir William appear in my pedigree. Van Horne is the only surname for which I have male relatives who can be coerced into joining the project. I, too, am retired. My Scottish Terrier, Murdoch, genealogy and my garden are my primary interests. By the way Murdoch has been genetically tested for genealogical purposes. Marleen Van Horne