I interpreted the " Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 37" to have typos & the intended sentence to be: " Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 67" i.e., close at 37 markers, & still clse at 67 markers. ------------- In my Humphrey project at FTNDA I have a 35/37 --> 65/67, maintaining a genetic distance of 2. The 2 participants are proven 9th cousins. Mike ... ================================ I'm not certain I understand you, Bob. What is a "pretty close mirror" at 37? Demes 2 and 3? Depending on how you count CDYa/b, which is prone to multi-step mutations, the genetic distance between Deme 2 and Deme 3 is *at least* 13 at 37 markers, which is a decided non-match. http://www.familytreedna.com/genetic-distance-markers.aspx?testtype=37 Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob May > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:36 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA > > Interesting run down > at 12 Deme 1, 2 very closly related 3 fairly closley 4 not related at 25 dem1 moves > away and 2, 3 start to shift at 37 the 4 group are split apart demem 1 still close > Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 37 > > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA > > > > > > You don't say how many markers, but an 11/12 match means very little. > > Even a > > 12/12 match means very little if you're talking about the WAMH. A 24/25 > > match > > may hold up at more markers, but not necessarily (I've seen a 23/25 match > > drop > > to 28/37). A 36/37 match will probably hold up at 67 markers. > > > > Look how closely two of these family are at 12 markers, and even 25, but > > how > > they fall apart at 37 and 67: > > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Biddle/BiddleDNA-Results-R1b.shtml > > This is the reason I press all R1b's to test *at least* 37 markers. > > > > I was told by FTDNA that there are four 12-marker R1b haplotypes that will > > cause > > a WAMH logo to be placed on a project member's page. I've identified > > three of > > them: > > > > 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 > > 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 > > 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 > > > > Does anyone know the fourth? > > > > Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, your 35/37 and 65/67 matches in your HUMPHREY Project are good evidence to support a connection -- and just about the genetic distance you would expect with 9th cousins. *On average*, if you are testing 67 markers, you will get *about* one mutation every seven generations. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mikenhumphrey@aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:14 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA > > I interpreted the " Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 37" > > to have typos & the intended sentence to be: > > " Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 67" > > i.e., close at 37 markers, & still clse at 67 markers. > ------------- > > In my Humphrey project at FTNDA I have a 35/37 --> 65/67, maintaining a genetic > distance of 2. The 2 participants are proven 9th cousins. > > Mike ... > ================================ > > > I'm not certain I understand you, Bob. What is a "pretty close mirror" at 37? > Demes 2 and 3? Depending on how you count CDYa/b, which is prone to multi-step > mutations, the genetic distance between Deme 2 and Deme 3 is *at least* 13 at 37 > markers, which is a decided non-match. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/genetic-distance-markers.aspx?testtype=37 > > Diana > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob May > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:36 AM > > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA > > > > Interesting run down > > at 12 Deme 1, 2 very closly related 3 fairly closley 4 not related > > at > 25 dem1 > moves > > away and 2, 3 start to shift at 37 the 4 group are split apart demem > > 1 > still > close > > Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 37 > > > > bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > > To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA > > > > > > > > > > You don't say how many markers, but an 11/12 match means very little. > > > Even a > > > 12/12 match means very little if you're talking about the WAMH. A > 24/25 > > > match > > > may hold up at more markers, but not necessarily (I've seen a 23/25 > match > > > drop > > > to 28/37). A 36/37 match will probably hold up at 67 markers. > > > > > > Look how closely two of these family are at 12 markers, and even > > > 25, > but > > > how > > > they fall apart at 37 and 67: > > > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Biddle/BiddleDNA-Results-R1b.shtml > > > This is the reason I press all R1b's to test *at least* 37 markers. > > > > > > I was told by FTDNA that there are four 12-marker R1b haplotypes > > that > will > > > cause > > > a WAMH logo to be placed on a project member's page. I've identified > > > three of > > > them: > > > > > > 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 > > > 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 > > > 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 > > > > > > Does anyone know the fourth? > > > > > > Diana > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message