> -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:23 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA > > Regarding the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype (or, more precisely, the "Super > Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype"), what would be the presumption of a common > male ancestor within the genealogical time frame for men sharing this haplotype? > What, if any, would be the presumption for men who differed from this haplotype in > only one marker? > > Any opinions? > > According to FTDNA's FAQ, "The WAMH is a group of the most common results found > in the most common European haplogroup, R1b." Somewhere, I remember reading > that the original WAMH was only 6 markers, but was extended to 12 and the "Super > WAMH" extended it further. > > Thanks in advance. > -rt_/) You don't say how many markers, but an 11/12 match means very little. Even a 12/12 match means very little if you're talking about the WAMH. A 24/25 match may hold up at more markers, but not necessarily (I've seen a 23/25 match drop to 28/37). A 36/37 match will probably hold up at 67 markers. Look how closely two of these family are at 12 markers, and even 25, but how they fall apart at 37 and 67: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Biddle/BiddleDNA-Results-R1b.shtml This is the reason I press all R1b's to test *at least* 37 markers. I was told by FTDNA that there are four 12-marker R1b haplotypes that will cause a WAMH logo to be placed on a project member's page. I've identified three of them: 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 Does anyone know the fourth? Diana

Interesting run down at 12 Deme 1, 2 very closly related 3 fairly closley 4 not related at 25 dem1 moves away and 2, 3 start to shift at 37 the 4 group are split apart demem 1 still close Deme 2 failrly close at 37 still a pretty close miror of 37 bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Taylor >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:23 PM >> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] WAMH vis-a-vis CMA >> >> Regarding the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype (or, more precisely, the >> "Super >> Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype"), what would be the presumption of a >> common >> male ancestor within the genealogical time frame for men sharing this > haplotype? >> What, if any, would be the presumption for men who differed from this > haplotype in >> only one marker? >> >> Any opinions? >> >> According to FTDNA's FAQ, "The WAMH is a group of the most common results > found >> in the most common European haplogroup, R1b." Somewhere, I remember >> reading >> that the original WAMH was only 6 markers, but was extended to 12 and the > "Super >> WAMH" extended it further. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> -rt_/) > > You don't say how many markers, but an 11/12 match means very little. > Even a > 12/12 match means very little if you're talking about the WAMH. A 24/25 > match > may hold up at more markers, but not necessarily (I've seen a 23/25 match > drop > to 28/37). A 36/37 match will probably hold up at 67 markers. > > Look how closely two of these family are at 12 markers, and even 25, but > how > they fall apart at 37 and 67: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Biddle/BiddleDNA-Results-R1b.shtml > This is the reason I press all R1b's to test *at least* 37 markers. > > I was told by FTDNA that there are four 12-marker R1b haplotypes that will > cause > a WAMH logo to be placed on a project member's page. I've identified > three of > them: > > 13 24 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 > 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 > 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 > > Does anyone know the fourth? > > Diana > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4451 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message