> -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gregory Morley > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:30 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] join authorization > > Diane, I respectfully disagree with you. Why must there be reciprocity in a voluntary > project? Because I'm the volunteer, these are my projects, and I believe in fairness. > Why must you have leverage over researchers who do not wish to disclose their > research? If they don't want to share their research, why should they expect anything from me -- or anyone else? > Why must you kick them out if they don't cooperate with your demands? I've never kicked anyone out. I just don't let them in. > I will agree with you if you're implying that it's frustrating to see 67 alleles without > knowing the pedigree associated with the contributor. It's more than "frustrating," the results are useless, so why should I waste my time with them? > But it's fallacious reasoning to > suggest that participants who don't reveal should not be helped. Where does it say I'm required to help selfish people? I'm not running for sainthood. > It's not an either-or; it's > a logical choice and one all of us reserve the right to exercise. It has nothing to do with "logic." It's my project. I do the work, I incur the expense, and I set the criteria. No one has a *right* to join my project. > Put it another way: What is the breadth and depth of data are you willing to disclose to > participants who provide fully to you their Y-DNA results? All the test data and lineages from all my projects (and more) are available to anyone with an internet connection, both at the FTDNA versions of my project web sites and the versions on my own domains, which I maintain at my own expense. I run "open" projects. > Do you reciprocate and offer > them all of your research including those persons still living, or just the deceased? If you want to see how I "reciprocate" to my members, you can peruse my projects from the DNA Hub: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/DNA-hub.html I do not ask for information on living persons. I do ask to know the number of generations between the test subject and the first revealed (as in deceased) person in their line. In actual fact, I've never had anyone supply less than their entire line, but I don't ask for their entire line. If someone supplies information on living persons, I delete it -- I don't want the responsibility of having it in my possession, and I certainly don't intend to share or display it. All I'm asking of my members is what they ought to be willing to do in the first place if they are seriously interested in making advances in their genealogy using DNA testing -- and in being fair to other researchers who are already sharing with them. Diana