This is for R-P312* (S116*) people and admins with R-P312* (FTDNA = R1b1b2a1b) people. R-P312* is an important group of people, particularly those from Iberia or Eastern Europe as these are potential routes for R-P312 “all” into Western Europe. We have a problem. The FTDNA assignment for R1b1b2a1b indicates a P312+ U152- M222- M153- SRY2627- deep clade R package result on the HAPLOTREE screen. However, another major subclade is L21 and it wasn't included in the original SNP package so oftentimes we don't know if the status is truly L21- (which would make them a true P312* person) or L21 is unknown. We can overcome this with good communications and I have a list of R-P312 “unknown L21” people who we should try to classify. 28 of them are from the Iberian DNA project. Project Administrators: 1. Please request any R1b1b2a1b haplogroup people to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/default.aspx I can categorize for L21- confirmed and L21 unknown there. 2. If you categorize by haplogroup in your project please consider breaking R1b1b2a1b* (L21-) out separately from R1b1ba1b (L21 unknown.) You can check the status on each R1b1b2a1b person if you haven't already. Under GAP 2.0, the GENETIC REPORTS includes a Y-DNA SNP option which gives you an easy way to look at what is on the HAPLOTREE for each individual. See if L21- is there or not present. 3. Encourage R1b1b2a1b L21 unknown people to order the Extended Clade C package or at least test for L21 stand-alone. There are a couple of other "newer" SNP's they should consider (L176.2, L165, L238) as well. Anyone who has knowledge on R1b1b2a1b people and their L21 status: 1. Please let me know.  I've got a list of people that may be true P312* (L21-) but we don't know. This file can be accessed at the R-P312 Yahoo Group under the Files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/ Thanks for your help. Regards, Mike R-P312 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator