Mike: do you want people who are already in the L21 project to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project ? (I had assumed not.) Also, for those of us who have tested several family members, I presume you only want one representative family member per haplogroup project, correct? All: Many admins and project members have tested at 23andMe. Even if you have not done FTDNA's deep clade testing, you can find your status for these SNPs, and help Mike out. *IF* you are R1b1b (and have been STR-tested at FTDNA or elsewhere), go to https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/ paste the following into the SNP field: rs34276300 -if genotype is "A" you are P312+ rs11799226 -if genotype is "G" you are L21+ Then you can join the appropriate FTDNA haplogroup project -Tell the admins that you were tested at 23andMe. If you are A at rs34276300 and C at rs11799226, then you are P312*, and Mike wants to know. Closely related DNA Project topic: all males tested at 23andMe are encouraged to submit their 23andMe Y-DNA SNP results to Adriano Squecco's project. You may help find a new subclade, or just a private SNP that may be useful in family studies. (If you do find an unusual Y SNP result, have it confirmed by Thomas Krahn at FTDNA.)(He insists that 23andMe's test is theoretically more error-prone than his own test in the highly repetitive Y DNA region, but I don't know how much real data he has on that point. We'll see in January if he confirms my apparently private SNP.) Info on Adriano's project is at http://daver.info/ysub/ . You can download his results spreadsheets (sorted by haplogroup), to see the type of info it shows, directly from http://www.webalice.it/asquecco/Y_DNA-Forums.zip Richard Thrift ---- Mike W <mwwdna@gmail.com> wrote: This is for R-P312* (S116*) people and admins with R-P312* (FTDNA = R1b1b2a1b) people. R-P312* is an important group of people, particularly those from Iberia or Eastern Europe as these are potential routes for R-P312 “all” into Western Europe. We have a problem. The FTDNA assignment for R1b1b2a1b indicates a P312+ U152- M222- M153- SRY2627- deep clade R package result on the HAPLOTREE screen. However, another major subclade is L21 and it wasn't included in the original SNP package so oftentimes we don't know if the status is truly L21- (which would make them a true P312* person) or L21 is unknown. We can overcome this with good communications and I have a list of R-P312 “unknown L21” people who we should try to classify. 28 of them are from the Iberian DNA project. Project Administrators: 1. Please request any R1b1b2a1b haplogroup people to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/default.aspx I can categorize for L21- confirmed and L21 unknown there. 2. If you categorize by haplogroup in your project please consider breaking R1b1b2a1b* (L21-) out separately from R1b1ba1b (L21 unknown.) You can check the status on each R1b1b2a1b person if you haven't already. Under GAP 2.0, the GENETIC REPORTS includes a Y-DNA SNP option which gives you an easy way to look at what is on the HAPLOTREE for each individual. See if L21- is there or not present. 3. Encourage R1b1b2a1b L21 unknown people to order the Extended Clade C package or at least test for L21 stand-alone. There are a couple of other "newer" SNP's they should consider (L176.2, L165, L238) as well. Anyone who has knowledge on R1b1b2a1b people and their L21 status: 1. Please let me know.  I've got a list of people that may be true P312* (L21-) but we don't know. This file can be accessed at the R-P312 Yahoo Group under the Files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/ Thanks for your help. Regards, Mike R-P312 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RT, R1b1b2a1b5 (R-L21*) can join the R-P312 and Subclades project. It is open to them, but if they are in the R-L21 Plus project already there is no need as they are in the right place. The critical need is for P312+ people who don't have a downstream SNP identified. Those people (R1b1b2a1b) should definitely join the R-P312 and Subclades project. Thanks, Mike On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM, RT <rtx@cox.net> wrote: > Mike: do you want people who are already in the L21 project to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project ? (I had assumed not.) > Also, for those of us who have tested several family members, I presume you only want one representative family member per haplogroup project, correct?