John, Thank you for expressing your agreement on the issue of Join Authorization, but I'm afraid in the case of releasing identity... Signing the Release simply means the person is willing to share their name and email address with their matches in the FTDNA database and in the privacy of their member page at FTDNA. It does not give license to the project admin to reveal these to anyone, for any reason, much less to display them on a public web site. Please read the FTDNA Privacy Policy and the linked Release: http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy-policy.aspx IMO, you are taking a legal risk upon yourself, personally, by revealing the identities and email addresses of your project members. I wouldn't touch this one with a ten-foot pole. If someone contacts me and wants to get in touch with a project member, I email their request to the member and let the member decide whether or not to respond. I strongly advocate this policy, and for an additional reason... If projects are revealing the names and addresses of test subjects, how confident can potential FTDNA customers be that their identity won't be revealed? You may be losing potential members, for yourself and for other projects, without even being aware of it. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John A. Blair > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 1:57 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] join authorization > > I'm John Blair, Project Administrator for the Blair DNA Project and I completely agree with > Diane. > > The purpose of the Blair DNA Project is to further the genealogical research of the Blair > surname (through DNA testing), not simply to provide discounted DNA tests to people > with the surname Blair. > > The Blair DNA Project is a give and take proposition. In order to get something out of the > project you must be willing to put something into the project. > > The primary thing that a participant must put into the project (besides his DNA) is his > pedigree chart. He must also allow me to post his kit number, test results, and oldest > known Blair ancestor on the Blair DNA website. > > In return, I promise not give out any other information without the participant's written > permission. All participants (especially those with matches) are strongly encouraged to > fill out and sign an Information Release Form, allowing me to publish their name, email > address and pedigree chart (minus living information). If they don't want their name and > email address published I will act as the contact and direct specific member queries to > them. > > If a person is not willing to abide by these requirement or won't provide the pedigree > information they will not be allowed in the project and can buy their DNA test directly > from FTDNA or some other company and pay the full non-project price. > > /*Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance* > /*John* > ------------------------------------ > John A. Blair > Haywards Heath, England > _http://blairdna.com_ > _mailto:j_blair@blairdna.com_ > BLAIR DNA Project Administrator > > On 12/4/2010 3:29 AM, Gregory Morley wrote: > > Diane, I respectfully disagree with you. Why must there be reciprocity in a voluntary > project? Why must you have leverage over researchers who do not wish to disclose their > research? Why must you kick them out if they don't cooperate with your demands? > > > > I will agree with you if you're implying that it's frustrating to see 67 alleles without > knowing the pedigree associated with the contributor. But it's fallacious reasoning to > suggest that participants who don't reveal should not be helped. It's not an either-or; it's > a logical choice and one all of us reserve the right to exercise. > > > > Put it another way: What is the breadth and depth of data are you willing to disclose to > participants who provide fully to you their Y-DNA results? Do you reciprocate and offer > them all of your research including those persons still living, or just the deceased? > > > > Regards, > > > > Gregory Morley > > > > > > > > On Dec 3, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > > > I have "authority" over my group, too. What I can't control is > > whether or not someone gives me their lineage. What do you do if > > someone doesn't give you their lineage? Withholding membership is the > > *only* leverage I have, short of kicking them out of the project, which isn't the desired > goal. > > > > As for Ancestry.com being a "superior lab," I won't bite on that one. > > > > Diana > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Acree > >> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 6:09 PM > >> To:y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] join authorization > >> > >> It sound like FTDNA is injudiciously biting the hands that have so > >> obligingly > >> > > fed it. > > > >> Please excuse me for rubbing it in, but we simply don't have such > >> problems > >> > > with our > > > >> projects (called "groups') at Ancestry.com. > >> > >> As project administrator there, I exercise full approval authority. > >> I'm able > >> > > to display test > > > >> results in multiple configurations that I consider helpful. And I > >> fully > >> > > control material > > > >> contributed to our group's home page. It's rare when things don't > >> run > >> > > smoothly; and > > > >> when they don't, we enjoy the benefit of consistently friendly, > >> responsive and cooperative assistance. Moreover, searches for > >> matches are far easier within Ancestry.com's public data base, and we > >> have the benefit of a superior lab, > >> > > which > > > >> provides us more precise test results (including partial STR repeats > >> when > >> > > applicable) in > > > >> convenient numerical order. > >> > >> Charles Acree > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > toY-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > toY-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message
Hi Diana, I use a separate Information Release Form (http://blairdna.com/information.html), not the one provided by FTDNA. If anyone wants to use it they are welcome. /*Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance* /*John* ------------------------------------ John A. Blair Haywards Heath, England _http://blairdna.com_ _mailto:j_blair@blairdna.com_ BLAIR DNA Project Administrator On 12/4/2010 8:40 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > John, > > Thank you for expressing your agreement on the issue of Join Authorization, but > I'm afraid in the case of releasing identity... > > Signing the Release simply means the person is willing to share their name and > email address with their matches in the FTDNA database and in the privacy of > their member page at FTDNA. It does not give license to the project admin to > reveal these to anyone, for any reason, much less to display them on a public > web site. > > Please read the FTDNA Privacy Policy and the linked Release: > http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy-policy.aspx > > IMO, you are taking a legal risk upon yourself, personally, by revealing the > identities and email addresses of your project members. I wouldn't touch this > one with a ten-foot pole. If someone contacts me and wants to get in touch > with a project member, I email their request to the member and let the member > decide whether or not to respond. I strongly advocate this policy, and for an > additional reason... > > If projects are revealing the names and addresses of test subjects, how > confident can potential FTDNA customers be that their identity won't be > revealed? You may be losing potential members, for yourself and for other > projects, without even being aware of it. > > Diana > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John A. Blair >> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 1:57 PM >> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] join authorization >> >> I'm John Blair, Project Administrator for the Blair DNA Project and I >> > completely agree with > >> Diane. >> >> The purpose of the Blair DNA Project is to further the genealogical research >> > of the Blair > >> surname (through DNA testing), not simply to provide discounted DNA tests to >> > people > >> with the surname Blair. >> >> The Blair DNA Project is a give and take proposition. In order to get >> > something out of the > >> project you must be willing to put something into the project. >> >> The primary thing that a participant must put into the project (besides his >> > DNA) is his > >> pedigree chart. He must also allow me to post his kit number, test results, >> > and oldest > >> known Blair ancestor on the Blair DNA website. >> >> In return, I promise not give out any other information without the >> > participant's written > >> permission. All participants (especially those with matches) are strongly >> > encouraged to > >> fill out and sign an Information Release Form, allowing me to publish their >> > name, email > >> address and pedigree chart (minus living information). If they don't want >> > their name and > >> email address published I will act as the contact and direct specific member >> > queries to > >> them. >> >> If a person is not willing to abide by these requirement or won't provide the >> > pedigree > >> information they will not be allowed in the project and can buy their DNA test >> > directly > >> from FTDNA or some other company and pay the full non-project price. >> >> /*Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance* >> /*John* >> ------------------------------------ >> John A. Blair >> Haywards Heath, England >> _http://blairdna.com_ >> _mailto:j_blair@blairdna.com_ >> BLAIR DNA Project Administrator >> >> On 12/4/2010 3:29 AM, Gregory Morley wrote: >> >>> Diane, I respectfully disagree with you. Why must there be reciprocity in a >>> > voluntary > >> project? Why must you have leverage over researchers who do not wish to >> > disclose their > >> research? Why must you kick them out if they don't cooperate with your >> > demands? > >>> I will agree with you if you're implying that it's frustrating to see 67 >>> > alleles without > >> knowing the pedigree associated with the contributor. But it's fallacious >> > reasoning to > >> suggest that participants who don't reveal should not be helped. It's not an >> > either-or; it's > >> a logical choice and one all of us reserve the right to exercise. >> >>> Put it another way: What is the breadth and depth of data are you willing to >>> > disclose to > >> participants who provide fully to you their Y-DNA results? Do you reciprocate >> > and offer > >> them all of your research including those persons still living, or just the >> > deceased? > >>> Regards, >>> >>> Gregory Morley >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: >>> >>> I have "authority" over my group, too. What I can't control is >>> whether or not someone gives me their lineage. What do you do if >>> someone doesn't give you their lineage? Withholding membership is the >>> *only* leverage I have, short of kicking them out of the project, which >>> > isn't the desired > >> goal. >> >>> As for Ancestry.com being a "superior lab," I won't bite on that one. >>> >>> Diana >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- >>>> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Acree >>>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 6:09 PM >>>> To:y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] join authorization >>>> >>>> It sound like FTDNA is injudiciously biting the hands that have so >>>> obligingly >>>> >>>> >>> fed it. >>> >>> >>>> Please excuse me for rubbing it in, but we simply don't have such >>>> problems >>>> >>>> >>> with our >>> >>> >>>> projects (called "groups') at Ancestry.com. >>>> >>>> As project administrator there, I exercise full approval authority. >>>> I'm able >>>> >>>> >>> to display test >>> >>> >>>> results in multiple configurations that I consider helpful. And I >>>> fully >>>> >>>> >>> control material >>> >>> >>>> contributed to our group's home page. It's rare when things don't >>>> run >>>> >>>> >>> smoothly; and >>> >>> >>>> when they don't, we enjoy the benefit of consistently friendly, >>>> responsive and cooperative assistance. Moreover, searches for >>>> matches are far easier within Ancestry.com's public data base, and we >>>> have the benefit of a superior lab, >>>> >>>> >>> which >>> >>> >>>> provides us more precise test results (including partial STR repeats >>>> when >>>> >>>> >>> applicable) in >>> >>> >>>> convenient numerical order. >>>> >>>> Charles Acree >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> toY-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> toY-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> > subject > >> and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >