With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx >From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit > > organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It > > was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's > > a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most > > genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. > > Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). > > > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AFAIK = As Far As I Know On 12/08/2010 09:48 AM, Rebecca wrote: > With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that > apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The > gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up > everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just > behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what > AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. > > AFAIK > -- "A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._

As far as I know (AFAIK). gm On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Rebecca wrote: With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx > From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: >> SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit >> organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It >> was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's >> a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most >> genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. >> Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). >> > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.acronymfinder.com/ is very useful for such things ________________________________________ From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Rebecca [rbccstrr@aol.co.uk] Sent: 08 December 2010 15:48 To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] textlish- the new language With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx >From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit > > organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It > > was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's > > a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most > > genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. > > Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). > > > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AFAIK - As far as I know -- Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca <rbccstrr@aol.co.uk> Sender: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:48:31 To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] textlish- the new language With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx >From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit > > organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It > > was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's > > a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most > > genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. > > Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). > > > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Most of the old acronyms, and this is an old one, stem not from modern "text'ers," but from the days when people messaged on bulletin boards or sent emails through dial-up connections using DOS or UNIX -- long before there was Windows, the Internet, high-bandwidth connections, or cell phones. All you need to do to find out what any acronym means is to go to Google and do a search: acronym:AFAIK In this case, AFAIK means "as far as I know." Some of the most used, oldest email acronyms are: IOW - in other words IMO - in my opinion YMMV - your mileage may vary LOL - laughing out loud NRN - no reply/response necessary/needed PITA - pain in the ___ TIA - thanks in advance TTFN - ta ta for now OTOH - on the other hand If you Google "internet acronyms" or "email acronyms," you'll find many more. And I guess I'm not "hip" to the new acronyms, either, because I find the Tweets on Twitter largely unintelligible. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:49 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] textlish- the new language > > With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand > for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many > acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. > Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what > AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. > > AFAIK >