There are a number, a lot for the small size of our group, of new results that have not been moved from unassigned into the desired location. Since the new design has been published I have emailed FTDNA about the results still being in the same old place: UNASSIGNED. The response back from FTDNA was that the Admin is responsible. About two emails a month or so to the admin and/or second in command yield zero results. There used to at least be a response with nothing happening. Now there is no response period. This is on the McKee Group and when I last tried the MacKey Group it was the same on that one. I haven't returned to the MacKey in a month or so and it may now be updated. I don't encourage anyone to join the McKee Group any more was my earlier meaning and perhaps I failed to clarify that. I do not want to feel any more responsible than I already do for encouraging McKee men to test and then nothing happens when they do. I cannot help them, I don't know much more than they do, heck, I am having trouble trying to figure how to download the markers to excel never mind figuring out how to understand the results for certain. I have hesitated to complain because, as in many cases, bad help may be better than no help at all. All these admins have a life, I surely understand that. You all are wonderful to be willing to run these lists you take care of and I hope your people properly appreciate how lucky they are to have you. I don't know what happens to lists with no admin and I sure am not qualified, capable nor interested in running a list. The squeaking wheel does not always get greased. I do this thing we do for pleasure and relaxing. Some people do well in command, not me, I have a United States Army (Retired) Master Sergeant E-8 at home giving all the commands I can handle. Calling these computer related people for help-worse than having a tooth drilled-it's bad enough to have to send all these emails-like getting HP to figure out why my email will not print and I have to transfer it to Office and create a file to print an email (this following a Windows Update) or why McAfee wants to charge me twice at much as a they do a new customer for the second year , or why Microsoft keeps sending me emails saying my Office is about expire.......any of them all, this is not my idea of keeping my blood pressure in check. It becomes more like my old job in an office dealing with the public all day. No thanks! This end is supposed to be the fun part.

Linda, I am a McKee descendant. Write to me privately at msvnhrn@jps.net, I will answer your questions. Marleen Van Horne Admin Seven Projects

Linda, I can sooo appreciate your frustration. I hope Marleen is able to help out! What does one do in the case of a poorly-managed project? In one of my own lineages the results were getting posted and sorted in a timely way (by worldfamilies.net staff) but the admin of record was doing nothing to recruit, communicate, interpret, or connect with pedigrees. I told my lineage cousins that it didn't matter, that we could supply those things for ourselves, but of course that leaves other lineages hung out to dry. At the Houston conference I introduced myself to Terry Barton, thanking him for the work worldfamilies does in managing the orphans --and I ended up with the project anyway. I will at least bring time and energy to a project, if not vast quantities of expertise. I don't know, and should perhaps ask Terry, under what circumstances rudderless projects are transferred to his care. What else can be done? Lisa

> -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:47 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in > <snip> < I don't know what happens to lists with no admin At least some (all?) orphaned projects get moved to World Families Network. Diana