It isn't that I don't want these people in my project, it's that I want to get their lineage as painlessly as possible. After six years of running six projects -- first without, then with, requiring authorization to join -- I have found withholding membership is the best tool I have to get a member's lineage. I'm not complaining about the new GAP because I'm stubborn, I'm complaining because it has turned my well tuned, efficient system into a royal PITA. I could easily make the problem of missing lineages go away by kicking out members who don't supply them. For me, it's not the desired solution to the problem. YMMV. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob May > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:04 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS join authorization > > That is all very well when everything is working properly. > BUT until the system is fixed to enabled life to return to normal you are all finding > reasons why not to use a facility that is available to you. > I have used it in my project, and without any recriminations from the participant. It is a > matter of not what you do but how you do it. > I would rather have a doubtful member join until data is available to sort out where they > belong and help them by guiding them to where they should go and x them from your > project where they do not belong Bob