Hi Fred, I think I may be talking to the originator of the Westcott surname project. It sounds to me like you are already working pretty hard on genetic genealogy as it relates to Westcott families, so why not contact FTDNA about opening a Westcott surname project? Once a project is opened, you might find that even Westcott test participants who haven't responded to any prior messages end up joining it, and FTDNA would be happy to forward messages for you to Westcott kit contacts that aren't yet in the project on a regular basis. Keep in mind the possibility that some of those Westcott kits at FTDNA may not be for Westcott males that have done Y DNA testing. Of course, you might want to be in touch with those other people anyway. They might have male relatives that can test, and they might have results for other tests that would be of interest to you. I had no website experience whatsoever when I first became a project administrator, but I found the FTDNA pages for project administrators easy to use. Good luck to you! Kirsten Saxe ----- Original Message ----- From: "fred westcott" <westcott.fred@gmail.com> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 2:49:18 PM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] finding matches at FT Hi Sharon and Kirsten, Thanks both for the information. I have a better understanding of it now. It's a little frustrating. None of my surname have shown up in matches. I know there are at least 7 as per the surname search on the FT home page. We do not have a surname project. Three show up in one project that FT lists, but have only 12, 12, and 25 markers. I already know the one with 25 markers and he has no plans to upgrade. But I've been told there are two who have 67 markers and these I have not been able to find. Thanks for the help ! Fred On 7/8/10, Sharon Fontenot <smfgen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again - > > One of the other factors may be that an individual also checks the levels - > number of markers - at which his haplotype is compared. If he chooses not > to compare at 12 markers or 25, I don't think you'll see him on your match > list except in the 37 and 67 marker matches. > > Sharon > > > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM, <dnalister@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi Fred and Sharon, >> >> Sharon is right, and I can tell you about a related quirk. You noted that >> 11/12 matches did now show up on unless a project including them was >> selected. I had the same question you had at one time. With the 11/12 >> matches, I'm not even sure whether they will show up even if both parties >> have selected entire database matching. It may be that a project including >> both has to be selected by the person viewing matches for the match to >> show >> up. I wish that I could find a complete explanation of the criteria that >> are >> used to select matches for display. I think most people don't even notice >> that there is some complexity to the display of matches. Some must be >> missing some important matches as a result. >> >> Kirsten Saxe >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sharon Fontenot" <smfgen@gmail.com> >> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2010 10:12:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] finding matches at FT >> >> Hi Fred - >> >> There are two sets of selections at play here, your choice and that of the >> men you are matching. The differences you see *depending on which project >> is selected* is because not all of your matches are comparing against the >> entire database as you are. My uncle has a 66/67 out of surname match who >> it appears only compares with the R-M222 Haplogroup Project, his name & >> email only appears in my uncle's matches list if the R-M222 Haplogroup >> Project is the one I have selected. >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, fred westcott <westcott.fred@gmail.com >> >wrote: >> >> > I am having difficulties learning how to find matches at FT. In >> > Preferences I selected "entire database" yet my matches vary with >> > either one of four projects that I have joined depending on which one >> > is selected. And they do not vary consistently. If the surname >> > project, Adams, is selected I will get 724 exact matches of 12 markers >> > (of 727 possible if another project is selected) only one of which is >> > an Adams, but in the next category , 12 markers GD 1, there are six >> > Adams and no other names. There can be up to 126 names in this >> > category depending on which project is selected. >> > Is there a way of deselecting all short of opting out of all projects ? >> > >> > What am I missing or doing wrong ? >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Kirsten, I have thought about it. The one big reason I want to contact Westcotts is to compare DNA. It may be that I don't find Westcott matches because we simply don't match. Of the three Westcotts I have found at the Littleton Project we don't have a lot in common: 9/12, 10/12, 18/25. Another surname match at SMGF is 9/42. What I have found is matches with two Adams: one is 42/43 (SMGF), and the other is 34/37 (FT). The latter does show up in my matches at FT. I am the "in-betweener" for these two. I have not given up the idea that we may still be Westcotts. I just don't know enough yet. But the way it looks to me now is we are Adams with a name change to Westcott in the 1700's or before. But I still entertain the idea of a Westcott surname project. It may be a little difficult to attract people to it because the popular idea is that all Westcotts descend from Stukley Westcott of Providence, RI, or one of his nephews. For this reason I'm sure many don't even think of getting a DNA test. I have not been able to convince my own second cousin to get a DNA test, and that we may not descend from Stukley Westcott. It's shocking to him after a life of believing in this descent. There is also always the possibility that there are different and unrelated Westcott families from ancient times. This can't be ruled out without further study. I'm still thinking about it. Fred On 7/9/10, dnalister@comcast.net <dnalister@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Fred, > > > > > I think I may be talking to the originator of the Westcott surname project. > It sounds to me like you are already working pretty hard on genetic > genealogy as it relates to Westcott families, so why not contact FTDNA about > opening a Westcott surname project? Once a project is opened, you might find > that even Westcott test participants who haven't responded to any prior > messages end up joining it, and FTDNA would be happy to forward messages for > you to Westcott kit contacts that aren't yet in the project on a regular > basis. Keep in mind the possibility that some of those Westcott kits at > FTDNA may not be for Westcott males that have done Y DNA testing. Of course, > you might want to be in touch with those other people anyway. They might > have male relatives that can test, and they might have results for other > tests that would be of interest to you. I had no website experience > whatsoever when I first became a project administrator, but I found the > FTDNA pages for project administra! > tors easy to use. Good luck to you! > > > > > Kirsten Saxe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fred westcott" <westcott.fred@gmail.com> > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 2:49:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] finding matches at FT > > Hi > Sharon and Kirsten, > Thanks both for the information. I have a better understanding of it now. > It's a little frustrating. None of my surname have shown up in > matches. I know there are at least 7 as per the surname search on the > FT home page. We do not have a surname project. Three show up in one > project that FT lists, but have only 12, 12, and 25 markers. I already > know the one with 25 markers and he has no plans to upgrade. But I've > been told there are two who have 67 markers and these I have not been > able to find. > > Thanks for the help ! > Fred > > On 7/8/10, Sharon Fontenot <smfgen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi again - >> >> One of the other factors may be that an individual also checks the levels >> - >> number of markers - at which his haplotype is compared. If he chooses not >> to compare at 12 markers or 25, I don't think you'll see him on your match >> >> list except in the 37 and 67 marker matches. >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:27 AM, <dnalister@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Fred and Sharon, >>> >>> Sharon is right, and I can tell you about a related quirk. You noted that >>> >>> 11/12 matches did now show up on unless a project including them was >>> selected. I had the same question you had at one time. With the 11/12 >>> matches, I'm not even sure whether they will show up even if both parties >>> >>> have selected entire database matching. It may be that a project >>> including >>> both has to be selected by the person viewing matches for the match to >>> show >>> up. I wish that I could find a complete explanation of the criteria that >>> are >>> used to select matches for display. I think most people don't even notice >>> >>> that there is some complexity to the display of matches. Some must be >>> missing some important matches as a result. >>> >>> Kirsten Saxe >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sharon Fontenot" <smfgen@gmail.com> >>> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2010 10:12:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] finding matches at FT >>> >>> Hi Fred - >>> >>> There are two sets of selections at play here, your choice and that of >>> the >>> men you are matching. The differences you see *depending on which project >>> >>> is selected* is because not all of your matches are comparing against the >>> >>> entire database as you are. My uncle has a 66/67 out of surname match who >>> >>> it appears only compares with the R-M222 Haplogroup Project, his name & >>> email only appears in my uncle's matches list if the R-M222 Haplogroup >>> Project is the one I have selected. >>> >>> Sharon >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:53 AM, fred westcott <westcott.fred@gmail.com >>> >wrote: >>> >>> > I am having difficulties learning how to find matches at FT. In >>> > Preferences I selected "entire database" yet my matches vary with >>> > either one of four projects that I have joined depending on which one >>> > is selected. And they do not vary consistently. If the surname >>> > project, Adams, is selected I will get 724 exact matches of 12 markers >>> > (of 727 possible if another project is selected) only one of which is >>> > an Adams, but in the next category , 12 markers GD 1, there are six >>> > Adams and no other names. There can be up to 126 names in this >>> > category depending on which project is selected. >>> > Is there a way of deselecting all short of opting out of all projects ? >>> > >>> > >>> > What am I missing or doing wrong ? >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> > >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >