Ken Nordvedt has updated the I-Tree at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net under file name warpedfounderstree. He has include a predicted new anciently branching subhaplogroup shown in dotted green. From it a number of other predictions or expectations can be inferred and can guide which tests are promoted in haplogroup I in order to map out the full story which follows from the new snp rs7892855 The last special that 23 & me ran which started in Nov (I think) is being tested under the new V3 chip and results have started to appear. If anyone took advantage of their special and has received their results or when the receive their results could they check the Y DNA results for rs7892855 rs7892855 is from the v3 of 23andMe. It is consistently found ancestral "A" across all the y haplogroups, except for three people, two from I2a..... and one from I2b....., who tested derived "C" So note where I am forced to provisionally locate this new snp --- in that short branch segment between node where I1 branch leaves and node where I2a branch leaves rest of tree. But one of the rs7892855 ancestral "A" persons is confirmed at least I2 by virtue of M170+ and M438+ but is also ancestral for I2a.... and I2b.... snps. This person's dotted green branch line is added as a new haplogroup and connected to I-Tree in between occurrence of M438 and rs7892855 in the I Tree's root region. Some expectations follow: Ken advised that the following expectations could follow 1. This person's haplotype will be very, very different from the haplotypes from any of the known I clades, because it is approximately 40,000 years (1330 generations) from the rest of I haplotypes of today. How different is "very, very different"? --- about as different as an I1 haplotype is from any I2.... haplotype. 2. The present clades called I2* will be found derived "C" for the new rs7892855. It is possible the 23andMe test subject of haplogroup I but ancestral for rs7892855 received a misread and this is all false alarm. But let's hope not. His male line ancestry is believed to be Russian/Jewish. If anyone has a member with rs7892855 results from I Haplogroup would you please advise Ken of the details. I am prepared to be a post-box to Ken if needed. Additionally we have had an I2* member do a WTY discovering three new SNPs L415-417. L416 is shown on the updated I tree as a new clade. We are in the process of testing across the range of the project these three markers to see what they mean to I2* people. When this is completed we will decide which parts of the project should test which marker. So 2011 has started with a bang for the I2* project Bob May I2* Project Admin -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6372 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message