are we able to pin down Scottish modal's as clearly as the Irish ones? if so, what are the dys specific groups? I'm still interested in dys 572 with 9 markers. it's unheard of among the Moores, except for one haplo E, and my husband, who is an L21+. Cornelia Message: Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:29:22 +1100 From: "Irish III DNA" Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Intersting Situation - Thanks To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sandy, Am I reading you correctly that you are saying that your DYS459=9,9 and DYS464=15,15,15,15 ? If so, then what is called a recLOH (recent loss of homogeneity) has occurred. What happens here is that an area where these markers lie is a palindrome, a loop back on itself, and one side copies to the other, loosing the original values. It is not uncommon for several markers to change at once, so DYS459 could change from 8,9 to 9,9 while DYS464 can change from 13,13,15,15 to 15,15,15,15 and even YCAII from 19, 23 to perhaps 23,23. BTW is your DYS463=25 ? This is another indication of Irish Type III membership. Dennis Wright t Dennis, thanks for the information on your website. I just looked at and will study further what I found. The DYS markers values for 459 and 464 do fall within those you asked about. My cousin's 459a,b is 9, and the 464a,b is 15. Again, thanks to each of you for your valuable comments and suggestions ! Sandy Coulter _________________ PLEASE trim the amount you backquote in your replies to the minimum, especially if you subscribe in DIGEST mode. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com [4] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Links: ------ [1] mailto:dna@irishtype3dna.org [2] mailto:y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com [3] mailto:BFECJOAEEPCFBFFLLBGPIEFAHMAA.dna@irishtype3dna.org [4] mailto:Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com