The conversion chart at Ysearch can be helpful, except that it is sometimes out of date. It doesn't include mention of GenBase: http://www.ysearch.org/conversion_page.asp The best place to compare standards is usually the page at SMGF, although the chart only includes the markers tested by SMGF: http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/marker_standards.jspx Beyond that, I have no answer to your question. Sorry. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:06 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] conversions from Genebase to FTDNA > > Hi, > > I have a person that wants to compare markers in one of my projects (FTDNA on > WorldFamilies) that tested with Genebase v.3.5. In looking at genebase, I can see > what markers they have as NIST standards. > > The question I have are on 607, 570, 444, and 481 in FTDNA, are they also the same > as NIST (and thus the same as Genebase 3.5)? > > Rick Saunders > >

There are a few more that need to be converted if you have tested to the 94 marker Genebase3.5 and wish to convert to Ysearch. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Mark Jost <markajost@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:01 AM, <y-dna-projects-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > >> I have tested at both Genebase and FtDNA for 67 markers >> >> Genebase STRs not tested at FtDNA >> 4 4 A 6 4 4 4 5 >> 6 6 1 3 4 5 6 2 >> 1 2 0 5 5 2 3 2 >> >> Here are the only two that need to be converted to used to compare FtDNA: >> >> DYS520 subtract 1 from Genebase 3.5 >> GATA H4 subtract 1 from Genebase 3.5 >> >> The conversion tables else where are not correct. >> > There are a few more that need to be converted if you have tested to the >

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:01 AM, <y-dna-projects-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have tested at both Genebase and FtDNA for 67 markers > > Genebase STRs not tested at FtDNA > 4 4 A 6 4 4 4 5 > 6 6 1 3 4 5 6 2 > 1 2 0 5 5 2 3 2 > > Here are the only two that need to be converted to used to compare FtDNA: > > DYS520 subtract 1 from Genebase 3.5 > GATA H4 subtract 1 from Genebase 3.5 > > The conversion tables else where are not correct. > There are a few more that need to be converted if you have tested to the

Rick asked "The question I have are on 607, 570, 444, and 481 in FTDNA, are they also the same as NIST (and thus the same as Genebase 3.5)?" Two days yet and no one's answered on list. I presume you've checked out the conversion tables at www.yesarch.org. -ralpht_/)

Sorry, sent to wrong list. Rick Saunders _____ From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:22 AM To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] conversions from Genebase to FTDNA I have added another person (S-67) from SMGF. This person is an exact match in those markers in common for Lineage III. Rick Saunders ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3240 - Release Date: 11/05/10

I have added another person (S-67) from SMGF. This person is an exact match in those markers in common for Lineage III. Rick Saunders

Hi, I have a person that wants to compare markers in one of my projects (FTDNA on WorldFamilies) that tested with Genebase v.3.5. In looking at genebase, I can see what markers they have as NIST standards. The question I have are on 607, 570, 444, and 481 in FTDNA, are they also the same as NIST (and thus the same as Genebase 3.5)? Rick Saunders

Rebecca No. Your daughter and her paternal grandmother have different mtDNA. mtDNA is passed by the mother to all her children, but it is only the daughters who can pass it on to the next generation. The male carries it but does not pass it on. Line 1 your daughter, you, your mother, her mother etc line 2 father, his mother, her mother, etc IF you intend to test him for YDNA it is cheaper to test him also for the mtDNA than to get a female of that line to test. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca" <rbccstrr@aol.co.uk> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS Choosing a testing company > No, the mother is known, but I do not know her mtDNA. I do have a > pretty complete ancestry for her back to 18-19C France. My daughter > gets lots of French Canadian sounding hits on her FF. Would knowing > the mother's mtDNA help sort out maternal from paternal line hits in > the FF test of either my husband or, in the case of my daughter, > father's maternal from paternal lines? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob May <tpibob44@bigpond.com> > To: rt-sails@comcast.net; y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 6:03 am > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS Choosing a testing company > > > Rebecca > The other test I would combine with the YDNA 37 or 67 would be mtDNA > plus. > Being and adoption I am guessing the mother would also be unknown. > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> > To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS Choosing a testing company > > >> Rebecca asked what sort of DNA test to get and from what company. She >> mentioned an adoption in the paternal line of her husband and the > father >> of >> their children. >> >> To emphasize more strongly what others have said: If you want to > trace the >> paternal line, the test of choice is Y-DNA STR with at least 37 > markers. >> (67 >> is better.) Matching sets (to a high degree) of values between pairs > of >> results indicate a common male ancestor is shared by both men. > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 5205 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5211 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Rebecca The other test I would combine with the YDNA 37 or 67 would be mtDNA plus. Being and adoption I am guessing the mother would also be unknown. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS Choosing a testing company > Rebecca asked what sort of DNA test to get and from what company. She > mentioned an adoption in the paternal line of her husband and the father > of > their children. > > To emphasize more strongly what others have said: If you want to trace the > paternal line, the test of choice is Y-DNA STR with at least 37 markers. > (67 > is better.) Matching sets (to a high degree) of values between pairs of > results indicate a common male ancestor is shared by both men. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5205 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

No, the mother is known, but I do not know her mtDNA. I do have a pretty complete ancestry for her back to 18-19C France. My daughter gets lots of French Canadian sounding hits on her FF. Would knowing the mother's mtDNA help sort out maternal from paternal line hits in the FF test of either my husband or, in the case of my daughter, father's maternal from paternal lines? -----Original Message----- From: Bob May <tpibob44@bigpond.com> To: rt-sails@comcast.net; y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Oct 27, 2010 6:03 am Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS Choosing a testing company Rebecca The other test I would combine with the YDNA 37 or 67 would be mtDNA plus. Being and adoption I am guessing the mother would also be unknown. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS Choosing a testing company > Rebecca asked what sort of DNA test to get and from what company. She > mentioned an adoption in the paternal line of her husband and the father > of > their children. > > To emphasize more strongly what others have said: If you want to trace the > paternal line, the test of choice is Y-DNA STR with at least 37 markers. > (67 > is better.) Matching sets (to a high degree) of values between pairs of > results indicate a common male ancestor is shared by both men. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5205 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > One reason to test at FTDNA is that the people getting tested at FTDNA are > doing it for genealogical purposes. You are far more likely to get a > response from your matchees at FTDNA than you are at 23andMe. I've been > tested at 23andMe, but I did it for medical reasons. I have yet to > respond to queries from my matchees there and likely never will, which is > the complaint of many who test there expecting to get responses from their > matchees. Hmm, maybe the people who complain about not getting responses from matchees at 23andMe all have matches with you, if you're just blowing off the people that try to contact you. I've not had a significant genealogical hit there yet, but at least I'll respond to everyone's invitation. Larry

Rebecca asked what sort of DNA test to get and from what company. She mentioned an adoption in the paternal line of her husband and the father of their children. To emphasize more strongly what others have said: If you want to trace the paternal line, the test of choice is Y-DNA STR with at least 37 markers. (67 is better.) Matching sets (to a high degree) of values between pairs of results indicate a common male ancestor is shared by both men. The adoption falls into the class of things known as "non-parental events" or NPEs. These are reasonably common in genetic genealogy and one reason why people look to DNA testing. I recommend FTDNA as the testing company. They have the largest database of Y-STR results and, IMO, better tools for finding and interpreting matches. Once you have the results, you can search FTDNA's entire database to find matches. Be sure NOT to restrict the matches found to a surname, as you won't know which name will match. Also, you will need to save the kit number (user name) and password they e-mail to you in order to log into their secured website for doing the searches. But, the searches are automated and fast. Once you find matches, a tool called "DNATiP" estimates the probability of generations to the common male ancestor. -ralpht_/)

Yes, 23andMe does only SNP testing of all chromosomes, half of mtDNA, all X, most Y, and the 22 autosomal ones. I suggest first making one's profile "public" at 23andMe and provide the surnames and birth places (town and country) of one (great) grandparents without including one's more recent ancestors. That way, predicted 2nd and 3rd cousins can look for matches without extended email exchanges and without revealing any significant identity information. I suggest similar activity using the FTDNA Family Finder. More serious researchers can look for common, extended length segment matches that signify a common lineage more easily at FTDNA than at 23andMe as the latter requires sharing of data and the former provides access directly to one's predicted cousins without sharing. With regard to comparability of the results between RF and FF, they yield quite similar predictions of relationships. sam vass On Oct 26, 2010, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > As far as I know, 23andMe does only SNP testing, not Y-DNA STR testing (like the standard 67 markers FTDNA). If your purpose is genealogy, you are *far* better > off testing with FTDNA, which has a large and growing stable of genealogically relevant tests available. I would test at 23andMe primarily for medical > reasons. > > One reason to test at FTDNA is that the people getting tested at FTDNA are doing it for genealogical purposes. You are far more likely to get a response from > your matchees at FTDNA than you are at 23andMe. I've been tested at 23andMe, but I did it for medical reasons. I have yet to respond to queries from my > matchees there and likely never will, which is the complaint of many who test there expecting to get responses from their matchees. > > As for the comparability of the RF and FF results, someone else will have to answer that one, because I've yet to attempt a comparison.

One minor point... You *will* get a haplogroup determination when Y-DNA STR tested at FTDNA. If your haplogroup cannot be deduced from your haplotype with 100% confidence, they will run a free backbone SNP test: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=8#515 Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Kennett > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 7:47 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Choosing a testing company > > Rebecca > > 23andMe only test SNPs - single nucleotide polymorphisms. The Y-DNA test at Family > Tree DNA tests STRs - short tandem repeats - repeating sequences of DNA. STRs are > different types of markers and can't be compared with the SNPs tested by 23andMe. > You will only get a Y-DNA haplogroup designation from a 23andMe test. <snip>

Rebecca 23andMe only test SNPs - single nucleotide polymorphisms. The Y-DNA test at Family Tree DNA tests STRs - short tandem repeats - repeating sequences of DNA. STRs are different types of markers and can't be compared with the SNPs tested by 23andMe. You will only get a Y-DNA haplogroup designation from a 23andMe test. You won't have any STRs to compare with people who have tested with Family Tree DNA or any of the other testing companies. FTDNA test SNPs in their deep clade tests. Is your husband British? Another important consideration is the geographical distribution of the database. About 95% of the 23andMe testees are American which is not of much help if you are British because there is generally no hope of finding a paper trail connection with a fifth cousin of colonial American ancestry who doesn't know where in the UK their line originates. FTDNA have a much more international database because of their links with the Genographic Project and their participation in Who do you think you are? Live at Olympia in London, but it will take quite a few years for their database to grow in size to get any meaningful matches unless you're very lucky. Your best option at this stage is to get the father to take a 67-marker Y-DNA test. This page in the ISOGG Wiki might be of interest: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Family_Finder_versus_Relative_Finder Debbie Kennett

Thanks, Debbie. That article is an excellent resource. The news that FTDNA plans to allow 23andMe results to be uploaded for a small fee has clinched my decision. I am not sorry I tested at 23andMe. The medical information is fascinating, and I have no complaints about their customer service. And I have found many matches in their large database, some quite important to my research. Still, to compare family members I need to have all their data in the same database, and this is the way to get that. Rebecca -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Kennett <debbiekennett@aol.com> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 12:47 am Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Choosing a testing company Rebecca 23andMe only test SNPs - single nucleotide polymorphisms. The Y-DNA test at Family Tree DNA tests STRs - short tandem repeats - repeating sequences of DNA. STRs are different types of markers and can't be compared with the SNPs tested by 23andMe. You will only get a Y-DNA haplogroup designation from a 23andMe test. You won't have any STRs to compare with people who have tested with Family Tree DNA or any of the other testing companies. FTDNA test SNPs in their deep clade tests. Is your husband British? Another important consideration is the geographical distribution of the database. About 95% of the 23andMe testees are American which is not of much help if you are British because there is generally no hope of finding a paper trail connection with a fifth cousin of colonial American ancestry who doesn't know where in the UK their line originates. FTDNA have a much more international database because of their links with the Genographic Project and their participation in Who do you think you are? Live at Olympia in London, but it will take quite a few years for their database to grow in size to get any meaningful matches unless you're very lucky. Your best option at this stage is to get the father to take a 67-marker Y-DNA test. This page in the ISOGG Wiki might be of interest: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Family_Finder_versus_Relative_Finder Debbie Kennett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as I know, 23andMe does only SNP testing, not Y-DNA STR testing (like the standard 67 markers FTDNA). If your purpose is genealogy, you are *far* better off testing with FTDNA, which has a large and growing stable of genealogically relevant tests available. I would test at 23andMe primarily for medical reasons. One reason to test at FTDNA is that the people getting tested at FTDNA are doing it for genealogical purposes. You are far more likely to get a response from your matchees at FTDNA than you are at 23andMe. I've been tested at 23andMe, but I did it for medical reasons. I have yet to respond to queries from my matchees there and likely never will, which is the complaint of many who test there expecting to get responses from their matchees. As for the comparability of the RF and FF results, someone else will have to answer that one, because I've yet to attempt a comparison. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 7:27 AM > To: Y-DNA-PROJECTS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Choosing a testing company > > Forgive a question from a 'not quite a novice anymore' lister, but your answers may > help others wanting to enlarge their testing results, but not knowing the best way to > proceed. > > We start from an adoption in my husband's paternal line. So 1/4 of my children's > ancestry is a mystery. Skipping over the obvious step of yDNA testing her father for > now....my daughter took the FTDNA Family Finder test. She's found 53 matches so > far, but we have not found her paternal ancestry.. Then 23&me offered a one-day > sale on its Complete Edition that includes Relative Finder. I took that. I've got 477 > matches so far which I am only beginning to explore. > > Now we think we will be able to persuade her father to be tested. We want to get both > the fullest yDNA test available and a cousinsage finder test. The 67 marker yDNA test > + the FF test from FTDNA is about the same price as a Complete Edition from 23&Me, > so price is not an > issue. I cannot figure out how many yDNA markers 23&Me tests, if > they test markers at all. (As a female, I did not get any yDNA data from my Complete > Edition test). I cannot figure out if FTDNA and 23andme raw data for Y can be > compared. From earlier postings on this list, it looks like FF and RF test different > snps, so are complementary, and not comparable. Whichever company we choose for > the cousinage test, will the data we already have from the other company be useless? > > How can I maximize the usefulness of the testing we have already done in choosing > this next set of tests? > > Thanks, > Rebecca > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message

Forgive a question from a 'not quite a novice anymore' lister, but your answers may help others wanting to enlarge their testing results, but not knowing the best way to proceed. We start from an adoption in my husband's paternal line. So 1/4 of my children's ancestry is a mystery. Skipping over the obvious step of yDNA testing her father for now....my daughter took the FTDNA Family Finder test. She's found 53 matches so far, but we have not found her paternal ancestry.. Then 23&me offered a one-day sale on its Complete Edition that includes Relative Finder. I took that. I've got 477 matches so far which I am only beginning to explore. Now we think we will be able to persuade her father to be tested. We want to get both the fullest yDNA test available and a cousinsage finder test. The 67 marker yDNA test + the FF test from FTDNA is about the same price as a Complete Edition from 23&Me, so price is not an issue. I cannot figure out how many yDNA markers 23&Me tests, if they test markers at all. (As a female, I did not get any yDNA data from my Complete Edition test). I cannot figure out if FTDNA and 23andme raw data for Y can be compared. From earlier postings on this list, it looks like FF and RF test different snps, so are complementary, and not comparable. Whichever company we choose for the cousinage test, will the data we already have from the other company be useless? How can I maximize the usefulness of the testing we have already done in choosing this next set of tests? Thanks, Rebecca

Ralph GD report is just above it and include tip report bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Taylor" <rt-sails@comcast.net> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] Y-DNA-PROJECTS new Gap 2.0 > Rick asked about a genetic distance tool in the new GAP 2.0. > > I think we're all just trying to find out where things are in this new > interface. Maybe, the old stuff is still there, but under new names in new > places. > > There is a "Y-DNA TiP" choice under "Genetic Reports", which calculates > TNRCA between two project participants selected from pick lists. > > IMHO, this is a clunky approach if a project has more than a few > participants. I'd prefer the ability to select one participant and find > matches by genetic distance. > > -ralpht_/) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5171 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Rick It depends on the marker setting you have for the report it only give gd that are relevant to the setting for one of my members 12 = gd1-3 25 = gd to 10 37 -= gd to 18 67 -= gd to 40 bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fredric Z. Saunders" <fzsaund@ix.netcom.com> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] new Gap 2.0 > Thank Bob, I see it. It appears they only now show the genetic distance > from matches, and not all project members. The latter was handy when a > project member believes they have a paper trail to those of an established > lineage, and by a quick check you could explain they don't match that > lineage because they are a genetic distance of 16 on 37 markers from it. > Now it means either counting (or miscounting which is easy to do), or just > saying "you are not a close match." Members understand it better when you > can quantify it with the genetic distance. > > Rick Saunders > > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob May > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:55 PM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] new Gap 2.0 > > No its in a separate spot under Genetic Reports about half way down > bob > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5171 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message