713.868.1438. You can also email the person who just joined your project that for an extra $18 they could get the additional markers that will be better for them. They can also call FTDNA and they will be happy to change their order for them. I think your wrong that FTDNA would rather people order piecemeal. I've met the people who run the company. They don't operate that way. You really should try to attend one of the annual conferences they put on for the Admins every year. They are very informative. Randall -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of fzsaund@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 9:03 AM To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] How do you close automatic joins? And now overnight I had a person join a project----12 markers, no lineage. If they had to go through a request, I would have told them that 12 markers are useless if they are trying to find ancestry, and with the sale for only $18 more they could have gotten 37 markers..... This is really bad. FTDNA has really this messed up the projects. Of course FTDNA would rather they test at 12 markers, and then go through a series of upgrades.....not exactly the way to be customer friendly. What phone number to call them? I don't see one listed. I also have a job, and imagine they are probably only answering it when I am at work, and I don't own a cell phone. Rick Saunders ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And now overnight I had a person join a project----12 markers, no lineage. If they had to go through a request, I would have told them that 12 markers are useless if they are trying to find ancestry, and with the sale for only $18 more they could have gotten 37 markers..... This is really bad. FTDNA has really this messed up the projects. Of course FTDNA would rather they test at 12 markers, and then go through a series of upgrades.....not exactly the way to be customer friendly. What phone number to call them? I don't see one listed. I also have a job, and imagine they are probably only answering it when I am at work, and I don't own a cell phone. Rick Saunders

I second your rant. The box is greyed out on my GAPs, too. I have been requiring permission to join, and I respond to join requests promptly -- immediately, if I'm at my computer, within a day if not. When I began my projects, I allowed people to join without permission, and it was a disaster. Some of these members still have not supplied linages, despite numerous requests. If we can't use permission to join as a lever to get a member's lineage, it's going to have a seriously detrimental affect on the quality of my projects. At the very least, it means more work for me: 1) by having to hound them for their lineage and/or 2) by having to "do" the person's genealogy and supply the lineage, myself. Do I not donate enough time and labor to my projects as it is? Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] How do you close automatic joins? > > OK, I found where it is as a checked box under "project profile" after "Allow Order > without join request?" that can't be unchecked. Is everyone's project like this, being > checked without a way of changing it? I know FTDNA is trying to crack down on > administrators that don't respond to requests, but I have had ZERO joins (or requests) > since Gap 2.0. > > Before that I always responded to requests the same day, and approved them if they > included an earliest ancestor or lineage. If they didn't, it was usually a female that was > requesting, and I wrote to the e-mail they provided and asked if they had a male that > they were going to have test (in which case I would approve them), or if they were asking > to "join" because they thought that was what they needed to do to see results (like at > Ancestry.com). About 95% of those I never heard back from, so I assume they either > didn't have someone to test (so they weren't going to order one) or they just wanted to > see the results which I had provided the page for them to see those. Maybe FTDNA took > my not either approving the request (since they weren't ordering a test kit) or not > declining their request as ignoring them. Since they never responded to my question if > they had a male to test, I saw no need to "decline" their request. > > I wrote this explanation to FTDNA under "Feedback." Is there anything else I should do to > get the ability to require a join request back? Did they do this to everyone, or just single > out some people, and if so why me???? I'm not one of the people who was letting > requests pile up. I wasn't ignoring people by not approving or declining them. If they > were taken care of in private e-mail, I saw no need to "decline" their request through the > FTDNA site. > > This has me extremely upset to the point of wanting to quit being an administrator > (feeling unappreciated by FTDNA), but I know if I did these projects would suffer > through the same lack of an administrator they had before I took over. End of rant. > > Rick Saunders > _____

Rick, Just pick up the phone and call FTDNA in the morning. They will explain straighten it all out right then. They are always helpful. Randall -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 12:12 AM To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] How do you close automatic joins? OK, I found where it is as a checked box under "project profile" after "Allow Order without join request?" that can't be unchecked. Is everyone's project like this, being checked without a way of changing it? I know FTDNA is trying to crack down on administrators that don't respond to requests, but I have had ZERO joins (or requests) since Gap 2.0. Before that I always responded to requests the same day, and approved them if they included an earliest ancestor or lineage. If they didn't, it was usually a female that was requesting, and I wrote to the e-mail they provided and asked if they had a male that they were going to have test (in which case I would approve them), or if they were asking to "join" because they thought that was what they needed to do to see results (like at Ancestry.com). About 95% of those I never heard back from, so I assume they either didn't have someone to test (so they weren't going to order one) or they just wanted to see the results which I had provided the page for them to see those. Maybe FTDNA took my not either approving the request (since they weren't ordering a test kit) or not declining their request as ignoring them. Since they never responded to my question if they had a male to test, I saw no need to "decline" their request. I wrote this explanation to FTDNA under "Feedback." Is there anything else I should do to get the ability to require a join request back? Did they do this to everyone, or just single out some people, and if so why me???? I'm not one of the people who was letting requests pile up. I wasn't ignoring people by not approving or declining them. If they were taken care of in private e-mail, I saw no need to "decline" their request through the FTDNA site. This has me extremely upset to the point of wanting to quit being an administrator (feeling unappreciated by FTDNA), but I know if I did these projects would suffer through the same lack of an administrator they had before I took over. End of rant. Rick Saunders _____ From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:25 PM To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] How do you close automatic joins? Before Gap 2.0 I had all my projects set that a person had to request to join (so I could get their lineage) before approving their request. I have now found that all of my projects now are "open" and anyone can join without ever contacting me or sending any information on their lineage. I have gone through all the "Project Administration" links on Gap 2.0 and I don't see how to change it back to requiring approval. Where am I missing how to do this? Rick Saunders ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, I found where it is as a checked box under "project profile" after "Allow Order without join request?" that can't be unchecked. Is everyone's project like this, being checked without a way of changing it? I know FTDNA is trying to crack down on administrators that don't respond to requests, but I have had ZERO joins (or requests) since Gap 2.0. Before that I always responded to requests the same day, and approved them if they included an earliest ancestor or lineage. If they didn't, it was usually a female that was requesting, and I wrote to the e-mail they provided and asked if they had a male that they were going to have test (in which case I would approve them), or if they were asking to "join" because they thought that was what they needed to do to see results (like at Ancestry.com). About 95% of those I never heard back from, so I assume they either didn't have someone to test (so they weren't going to order one) or they just wanted to see the results which I had provided the page for them to see those. Maybe FTDNA took my not either approving the request (since they weren't ordering a test kit) or not declining their request as ignoring them. Since they never responded to my question if they had a male to test, I saw no need to "decline" their request. I wrote this explanation to FTDNA under "Feedback." Is there anything else I should do to get the ability to require a join request back? Did they do this to everyone, or just single out some people, and if so why me???? I'm not one of the people who was letting requests pile up. I wasn't ignoring people by not approving or declining them. If they were taken care of in private e-mail, I saw no need to "decline" their request through the FTDNA site. This has me extremely upset to the point of wanting to quit being an administrator (feeling unappreciated by FTDNA), but I know if I did these projects would suffer through the same lack of an administrator they had before I took over. End of rant. Rick Saunders _____ From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 10:25 PM To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] How do you close automatic joins? Before Gap 2.0 I had all my projects set that a person had to request to join (so I could get their lineage) before approving their request. I have now found that all of my projects now are "open" and anyone can join without ever contacting me or sending any information on their lineage. I have gone through all the "Project Administration" links on Gap 2.0 and I don't see how to change it back to requiring approval. Where am I missing how to do this? Rick Saunders

Before Gap 2.0 I had all my projects set that a person had to request to join (so I could get their lineage) before approving their request. I have now found that all of my projects now are "open" and anyone can join without ever contacting me or sending any information on their lineage. I have gone through all the "Project Administration" links on Gap 2.0 and I don't see how to change it back to requiring approval. Where am I missing how to do this? Rick Saunders

Hi Mike, I will separate out the people in the R1b1b2a1b Subgroup of the Ireland yDNA Project as L21- or L21 unknown and I will ask those members to join the R-P312 and Subclades Project. I will also suggest they on the SNPs you mentioned in your message. Thnaks for the advice! Regards, Margaret Jordan > Project Administrators: > > 1. Please request any R1b1b2a1b haplogroup people to join the "R-P312 > and Subclades" project.... > 2. If you categorize by haplogroup in your project please consider > breaking R1b1b2a1b* (L21-) out separately from R1b1ba1b (L21 unknown.)... > > > 3. Encourage R1b1b2a1b L21 unknown people to order the Extended Clade > C package or at least test for L21 stand-alone. There are a couple of > other "newer" SNP's they should consider (L176.2, L165, L238) as well.... > >

RT, R1b1b2a1b5 (R-L21*) can join the R-P312 and Subclades project. It is open to them, but if they are in the R-L21 Plus project already there is no need as they are in the right place. The critical need is for P312+ people who don't have a downstream SNP identified. Those people (R1b1b2a1b) should definitely join the R-P312 and Subclades project. Thanks, Mike On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:31 PM, RT <rtx@cox.net> wrote: > Mike: do you want people who are already in the L21 project to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project ? (I had assumed not.) > Also, for those of us who have tested several family members, I presume you only want one representative family member per haplogroup project, correct?

Mike: do you want people who are already in the L21 project to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project ? (I had assumed not.) Also, for those of us who have tested several family members, I presume you only want one representative family member per haplogroup project, correct? All: Many admins and project members have tested at 23andMe. Even if you have not done FTDNA's deep clade testing, you can find your status for these SNPs, and help Mike out. *IF* you are R1b1b (and have been STR-tested at FTDNA or elsewhere), go to https://www.23andme.com/you/explorer/ paste the following into the SNP field: rs34276300 -if genotype is "A" you are P312+ rs11799226 -if genotype is "G" you are L21+ Then you can join the appropriate FTDNA haplogroup project -Tell the admins that you were tested at 23andMe. If you are A at rs34276300 and C at rs11799226, then you are P312*, and Mike wants to know. Closely related DNA Project topic: all males tested at 23andMe are encouraged to submit their 23andMe Y-DNA SNP results to Adriano Squecco's project. You may help find a new subclade, or just a private SNP that may be useful in family studies. (If you do find an unusual Y SNP result, have it confirmed by Thomas Krahn at FTDNA.)(He insists that 23andMe's test is theoretically more error-prone than his own test in the highly repetitive Y DNA region, but I don't know how much real data he has on that point. We'll see in January if he confirms my apparently private SNP.) Info on Adriano's project is at http://daver.info/ysub/ . You can download his results spreadsheets (sorted by haplogroup), to see the type of info it shows, directly from http://www.webalice.it/asquecco/Y_DNA-Forums.zip Richard Thrift ---- Mike W <mwwdna@gmail.com> wrote: This is for R-P312* (S116*) people and admins with R-P312* (FTDNA = R1b1b2a1b) people. R-P312* is an important group of people, particularly those from Iberia or Eastern Europe as these are potential routes for R-P312 “all” into Western Europe. We have a problem. The FTDNA assignment for R1b1b2a1b indicates a P312+ U152- M222- M153- SRY2627- deep clade R package result on the HAPLOTREE screen. However, another major subclade is L21 and it wasn't included in the original SNP package so oftentimes we don't know if the status is truly L21- (which would make them a true P312* person) or L21 is unknown. We can overcome this with good communications and I have a list of R-P312 “unknown L21” people who we should try to classify. 28 of them are from the Iberian DNA project. Project Administrators: 1. Please request any R1b1b2a1b haplogroup people to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/default.aspx I can categorize for L21- confirmed and L21 unknown there. 2. If you categorize by haplogroup in your project please consider breaking R1b1b2a1b* (L21-) out separately from R1b1ba1b (L21 unknown.) You can check the status on each R1b1b2a1b person if you haven't already. Under GAP 2.0, the GENETIC REPORTS includes a Y-DNA SNP option which gives you an easy way to look at what is on the HAPLOTREE for each individual. See if L21- is there or not present. 3. Encourage R1b1b2a1b L21 unknown people to order the Extended Clade C package or at least test for L21 stand-alone. There are a couple of other "newer" SNP's they should consider (L176.2, L165, L238) as well. Anyone who has knowledge on R1b1b2a1b people and their L21 status: 1. Please let me know.  I've got a list of people that may be true P312* (L21-) but we don't know. This file can be accessed at the R-P312 Yahoo Group under the Files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/ Thanks for your help. Regards, Mike R-P312 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is for R-P312* (S116*) people and admins with R-P312* (FTDNA = R1b1b2a1b) people. R-P312* is an important group of people, particularly those from Iberia or Eastern Europe as these are potential routes for R-P312 “all” into Western Europe. We have a problem. The FTDNA assignment for R1b1b2a1b indicates a P312+ U152- M222- M153- SRY2627- deep clade R package result on the HAPLOTREE screen. However, another major subclade is L21 and it wasn't included in the original SNP package so oftentimes we don't know if the status is truly L21- (which would make them a true P312* person) or L21 is unknown. We can overcome this with good communications and I have a list of R-P312 “unknown L21” people who we should try to classify. 28 of them are from the Iberian DNA project. Project Administrators: 1. Please request any R1b1b2a1b haplogroup people to join the "R-P312 and Subclades" project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/default.aspx I can categorize for L21- confirmed and L21 unknown there. 2. If you categorize by haplogroup in your project please consider breaking R1b1b2a1b* (L21-) out separately from R1b1ba1b (L21 unknown.) You can check the status on each R1b1b2a1b person if you haven't already. Under GAP 2.0, the GENETIC REPORTS includes a Y-DNA SNP option which gives you an easy way to look at what is on the HAPLOTREE for each individual. See if L21- is there or not present. 3. Encourage R1b1b2a1b L21 unknown people to order the Extended Clade C package or at least test for L21 stand-alone. There are a couple of other "newer" SNP's they should consider (L176.2, L165, L238) as well. Anyone who has knowledge on R1b1b2a1b people and their L21 status: 1. Please let me know.  I've got a list of people that may be true P312* (L21-) but we don't know. This file can be accessed at the R-P312 Yahoo Group under the Files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/R-P312Project/ Thanks for your help. Regards, Mike R-P312 and Subclades Project Co-Administrator

I have the Humphrey project & website at FTDNA, my own genealogy website, Genealogical data & Gedcoms at Ancestry, LDS IGI, Ysearch, FTDNA, & others. I periodically copy our FTDNA Yresults to my genealogy website, with many cross-references. The idea is to get the data "out there" on the Internet for perusal by a wide audience. Mike ... ============================== Diana, I use a combination of FTDNA public and WFN sites for projects with pointers back and forth and to genealogy sites as well. (I also have my own genealogy on several sites -- because I believe in making my data as accessible as possible to anyone who might be looking.) Doris On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:01 AM, <y-dna-projects-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The view from the outside looking in. (Lewis Townsend) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:24:38 -0500 > From: "Lewis Townsend" <lewtown@erols.com> > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <025701cb99ff$fa404fa0$eec0eee0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The Townsend Society has its own website that includes a DNA project. > Results are actually hosted by WFN. A minimal site is also maintains at > FTDNA. Flexibility is the key in having a non-FTDNA hosted site. > > > > Lew > > > > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale > Matthiesen > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:23 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > > > Same here, Larry. > > While I do use the FTDNA web sites for my projects, I also maintain web > sites > for my projects on my own domain -- which are, in fact, the "main" web > sites > for > the projects. Because I own these web sites, I am able to and do allow > people > tested elsewhere to join. It would be interesting to know just how many > projects use just the site on the FTDNA server, just the site at WFN, or a > site > on a privately-owned domain -- or a combination. > > Diana > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Vick > > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:18 PM > > To: bilwalsh@swbell.net; y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > > > Billie, > > > > While the vast majority of the members of our VICK Y-DNA Surname Project > tested at > > FTDNA, we do include results from other labs and companies. We can do > this > because > > we use World Families for our project site. We can't compare the > haplotypes > of those > > who tested elsewhere directly to those in the FTDNA database, but we can > compare their > > haplotypes to those of our project members. We are happy to include them. > > > > Regards, > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3293 - Release Date: 12/02/10 > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Y-DNA-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176 > ********************************************** > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in

Diana, I use a combination of FTDNA public and WFN sites for projects with pointers back and forth and to genealogy sites as well. (I also have my own genealogy on several sites -- because I believe in making my data as accessible as possible to anyone who might be looking.) Doris On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:01 AM, <y-dna-projects-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The view from the outside looking in. (Lewis Townsend) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 08:24:38 -0500 > From: "Lewis Townsend" <lewtown@erols.com> > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <025701cb99ff$fa404fa0$eec0eee0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The Townsend Society has its own website that includes a DNA project. > Results are actually hosted by WFN. A minimal site is also maintains at > FTDNA. Flexibility is the key in having a non-FTDNA hosted site. > > > > Lew > > > > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale > Matthiesen > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:23 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > > > Same here, Larry. > > While I do use the FTDNA web sites for my projects, I also maintain web > sites > for my projects on my own domain -- which are, in fact, the "main" web > sites > for > the projects. Because I own these web sites, I am able to and do allow > people > tested elsewhere to join. It would be interesting to know just how many > projects use just the site on the FTDNA server, just the site at WFN, or a > site > on a privately-owned domain -- or a combination. > > Diana > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Vick > > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:18 PM > > To: bilwalsh@swbell.net; y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > > > Billie, > > > > While the vast majority of the members of our VICK Y-DNA Surname Project > tested at > > FTDNA, we do include results from other labs and companies. We can do > this > because > > we use World Families for our project site. We can't compare the > haplotypes > of those > > who tested elsewhere directly to those in the FTDNA database, but we can > compare their > > haplotypes to those of our project members. We are happy to include them. > > > > Regards, > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3293 - Release Date: 12/02/10 > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Y-DNA-PROJECTS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 176 > ********************************************** >

The Townsend Society has its own website that includes a DNA project. Results are actually hosted by WFN. A minimal site is also maintains at FTDNA. Flexibility is the key in having a non-FTDNA hosted site. Lew From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Gale Matthiesen Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:23 AM To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Same here, Larry. While I do use the FTDNA web sites for my projects, I also maintain web sites for my projects on my own domain -- which are, in fact, the "main" web sites for the projects. Because I own these web sites, I am able to and do allow people tested elsewhere to join. It would be interesting to know just how many projects use just the site on the FTDNA server, just the site at WFN, or a site on a privately-owned domain -- or a combination. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Vick > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:18 PM > To: bilwalsh@swbell.net; y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > Billie, > > While the vast majority of the members of our VICK Y-DNA Surname Project tested at > FTDNA, we do include results from other labs and companies. We can do this because > we use World Families for our project site. We can't compare the haplotypes of those > who tested elsewhere directly to those in the FTDNA database, but we can compare their > haplotypes to those of our project members. We are happy to include them. > > Regards, > > Larry > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3293 - Release Date: 12/02/10

Thank you, John. I hope you're better soon. I hadn't seen the FTDNA message and was especially interested in "Today's updates have also included improvements to the bulk email system. The recipients of bulk emails will now see the lines in the email text broken naturally. Additionally, for those of you with knowledge of basic html, you can now use html tags to make sections of the text appear in bold, etc." Yippee & hurray! Plain text is dull and limiting. Now, we can dress up those message to our participants. -ralpht_/)

I got the following message on Monday, 6 Dec. Unfortunately at the time I was in the hospital with pneumonia. I was admitted Sun morning and released this evening. I still have pneumonia and the doctors say it could take several weeks before they can clear it up. Hopefully they can continue to treat it from home and I won't have to go back into the hospital. Hopefully most of the GAs received the following message. It does give a pretty good explaining the situation. It also indicates they are going back to the old system of providing the GAs with the requester's name and email address in the body of the initial notification. I did another test join request tonight and everything seems to be working fine. As the GA I received the following notification: The following request to join the Blair project was entered at Family Tree DNA by Ann Blair. This is a test to see if the Join Request is working properly. Respond to this request: http://gap.familytreedna.com/join-authorization.aspx?id=cvvvc22c-cdaz-4a5d-a931-bcbzzzzzzzzf1b&bcggroup=Blair& (address altered) or directly email this person annblair@datamatiom.com Thank you, Family Tree DNA All of the functions worked fine and it appears that Family Tree DNA DOES listen to their Group Administrators. /*Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance* /*John* ------------------------------------ John A. Blair Haywards Heath, England _http://blairdna.com_ _mailto:j_blair@blairdna.com_ BLAIR DNA Project Administrator On 12/6/2010 11:03 PM, info@familytreedna.com wrote: > > > *Dear Family Tree DNA Group Administrators,* > > Over the past several weeks many of you have written us questioning > the design of GAP 2.0’s Join Notification system. > > The way we designed the system it allowed us to track who was actually > replying to the join requests and who was ignoring them, and we found > that about 40% of the join request emails (for new kits) were going > unanswered. > > As a consequence, those projects ignoring join requests have lost > their join request privilege. > > However, It was never our intention to penalize our dedicated Group > Administrators. > > As someone said to us recently: ‘You risk frustrating your best group > admins because some of your admins aren’t doing their job… but we are!’ > > So was that our intention? NO. > > Are we adult enough to recognize that it’s in all of our best interest > to change that? YES. > > Therefore with the code update this morning, the email address of the > Join Request sender has been restored within the email that you > receive from our system when someone asks to join your project. You > may now email them from your personal account as you have done in the > past. However I’d like to ask you to make sure that you have clicked > the ‘read’ link in the GAP 2.0 page for the join request message. This > is good enough for us to believe that you have both read and replied > to the email, and helps us to make sure that these emails are being > ‘worked.’ From that point we’ll presume that you have then grabbed the > email and sent a reply to the potential test taker. > > Today’s updates have also included improvements to the bulk email > system. The recipients of bulk emails will now see the lines in the > email text broken naturally. Additionally, for those of you with > knowledge of basic html, you can now use html tags to make sections of > the text appear in bold, etc. > > Thank you to everyone who sent us your concerns and suggestions on the > problems outlined above. If you encounter any other problems or have > other constructive criticism, please contact us with your comments and > suggestions. > > Family Tree DNA > > © All Contents Copyright 2001-2010 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. >

Most of the old acronyms, and this is an old one, stem not from modern "text'ers," but from the days when people messaged on bulletin boards or sent emails through dial-up connections using DOS or UNIX -- long before there was Windows, the Internet, high-bandwidth connections, or cell phones. All you need to do to find out what any acronym means is to go to Google and do a search: acronym:AFAIK In this case, AFAIK means "as far as I know." Some of the most used, oldest email acronyms are: IOW - in other words IMO - in my opinion YMMV - your mileage may vary LOL - laughing out loud NRN - no reply/response necessary/needed PITA - pain in the ___ TIA - thanks in advance TTFN - ta ta for now OTOH - on the other hand If you Google "internet acronyms" or "email acronyms," you'll find many more. And I guess I'm not "hip" to the new acronyms, either, because I find the Tweets on Twitter largely unintelligible. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rebecca > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 10:49 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] textlish- the new language > > With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand > for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many > acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. > Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what > AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. > > AFAIK >

SMGF are still actively looking for people in a few key countries. From their website: http://www.smgf.org/get_involved.jspx Other Areas of Interest Reaching the 100,000 participants milestone was just one of the objectives of our project. We are still working to enhance our dataset by actively seeking participants for our database with ancestry from a number of countries and lineages (listed below). If you have genealogical information linking you to one of these areas or have connections that could facilitate collections in these areas please contact SMGF at info@smgf.org. Ireland Japan Sweden France Germany Belgium All Eastern European countries Lebanon Syria Jordan Egypt North Africa Switzerland Denmark Spain Portugal Debbie Kennett

AFAIK - As far as I know -- Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca <rbccstrr@aol.co.uk> Sender: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:48:31 To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] textlish- the new language With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx >From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit > > organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It > > was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's > > a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most > > genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. > > Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). > > > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.acronymfinder.com/ is very useful for such things ________________________________________ From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Rebecca [rbccstrr@aol.co.uk] Sent: 08 December 2010 15:48 To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] textlish- the new language With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx >From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit > > organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It > > was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's > > a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most > > genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. > > Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). > > > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With all due respect, many of us do not know the new acronyms that apparently stand for phrases. I assume they are born of texting. The gliph below is just one of the many acronyms that are popping up everywhere and used as though everyone understands. Maybe I am just behind the times and should shut up, but really, I haven't a clue what AFAIK means and it is not obvious from the context. AFAIK -----Original Message----- From: Diana Gale Matthiesen <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. Definitely not boring. We all owe the "pioneers" who tested early at SMGF our gratitude. I am pleased that they instituted GeneTree. I suspect it's creation was in part due to what turned out to be a short-coming of SMGF: that there's no way to contact a test subject. The charges to move results from SMGF to GeneTree are nominal and, I presume, serve to maintain the web site. AFAIK, SMGF no longer does free testing. If you want to join the SMGF database, you pay for it via GeneTree, as indicated on the SMGF Home Page http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx >From what I understand, the Sorensons are Mormons, hence the dedication to genealogy, but that there is no official connection between SMGF and the LDS. They give a brief history here: http://www.genetree.com/history and their early press releases pretty much spell out who they are and what they're about: http://www.genetree.com/pressroom It's not clear to me whether GeneTree is for profit or non-profit, but I suspect the former or they'd be touting the latter. One nice thing about the SMGF search engine is that you can save searches, so you don't have to re-enter the test results. I have all the modal haplotypes from my projects as saved searches, making it easy come back periodically and do a new search. You can also use their search engine to convert markers between lab standards, at least for the markers they test. If you have not registered on the site, you are missing a lot. You don't need to have tested there to register. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Billie Walsh > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 8:12 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] The view from the outside looking in. > > On 12/05/2010 01:19 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > SMGF (the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation) is a non-profit > > organization backed, at least in part, by philanthropic donations. It > > was never the intention of the foundation to make a profit. But it's > > a fact of life that you do "get what you pay for," and most > > genealogists find the limitations of being tested at SMGF unworkable. > > Hence the market for commercial DNA testing, despite the fact that someone's giving it > away (or at least was). > > > > I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details but.......... > > About fifteen years ago the Church of Latter Day Saints put out a call for subjects to > donate a blood sample and at least a five generation tree. It was an experimental project > to gather subjects for DNA genealogical research. There was no promise of the results > ever being made available. Sorenson was the lab that did the work. [ I think they are > connected to the LDS in some way, but that's just my opinion ] A few years ago I saw that > Sorenson was in the "business" of doing testing so I contacted them. At that time they > weren't releasing any of the original subjects results. Every so often I would get an email > about their services because I had gotten in their mail database. Then about a year or so > ago I got an email that for just a few dollars I could "buy" > my mtdna results. I figured what the heck, why not. Several months later I got the e-mail > that said they would "sell" me my Y results for a few more dollars. Best I can recall I got a > 37 YDNA and my mtdna results for about fifty dollars total. With the possibility that they > "might" give more findings in the future, probably for a small sum of course. This also > included a membership in Sorensons website, Genetree. > > My original intention when I made my "donation" was not so much to get my results as to > further the science of DNA genealogical research in it's infancy. The fact that I did get > my results was more of a bonus than anything else. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message