Sandy, Am I reading you correctly that you are saying that your DYS459=9,9 and DYS464=15,15,15,15 ? If so, then what is called a recLOH (recent loss of homogeneity) has occurred. What happens here is that an area where these markers lie is a palindrome, a loop back on itself, and one side copies to the other, loosing the original values. It is not uncommon for several markers to change at once, so DYS459 could change from 8,9 to 9,9 while DYS464 can change from 13,13,15,15 to 15,15,15,15 and even YCAII from 19, 23 to perhaps 23,23. BTW is your DYS463=25 ? This is another indication of Irish Type III membership. Dennis Wright <snip> Dennis, thanks for the information on your website. I just looked at and will study further what I found. The DYS markers values for 459 and 464 do fall within those you asked about. My cousin's 459a,b is 9, and the 464a,b is 15. Again, thanks to each of you for your valuable comments and suggestions ! Sandy Coulter ______________________________ PLEASE trim the amount you backquote in your replies to the minimum, especially if you subscribe in DIGEST mode. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, I have a 63/67 match we differ as follows; on YCA IIa 23/24 , on CDYa 36/37, on CDYb 39/38 , 511 11/10 Is this a match which I should follow up on? Are these markers fast or slow markers/ What would you guess the number of generations back to a common ancestor be? Thanks for any help, Jan >>>Each of us is a vital thread in another person's tapestry, lives woven together for a reason. <<< <<<we cannot direct the wind.......but we can adjust the sails>>>

RecLoh stands for recombinational loss of heterozygosity: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/RecLOH Debbie Kennett

> Am I reading you correctly that you are saying that your > DYS459=9,9 and DYS464=15,15,15,15 ? If so, then what is > called a recLOH (recent loss of homogeneity) has > occurred. > > What happens here is that an area where these markers > lie is a palindrome, a loop back on itself, and one > side copies to the other, loosing the original values. > It is not uncommon for several markers to change at > once, so DYS459 could change from 8,9 to 9,9 while > DYS464 can change from 13,13,15,15 to 15,15,15,15 > and even YCAII from 19,23 to perhaps 23,23. <snip> I'm afraid "recLOH" does not stand for "recent loss of homogeneity." It stands for "recombinant loss of heterogeneity." It's called "recombinant" because it happens during the stage of cell division called "recombination." It's called a loss of heterogeneity because the markers are less diverse (more the same) as a result. The example you mention, where a recLOH happens at YCAIIa/b is one of the common ones. It results when, in a single mutation event, its values change from 19,23 to 23,23. The 19 allele hasn't added four copies, the 23 allele has written over the 19 allele. The other most common ones are, as you mention, with DYS464. The change from 13,13,15,15 to 15,15,15,15 happens in one mutation event when the two 15 alleles overwrite the two 13 alleles, however this results is a loss of heterogeneity and, thus, a gain in homogeneity. If DYS459a/b changes from 8,9 to 9,9, I don't know that you can necessarily invoke a recLOH. The change could simply be a single-step mutation in DYS459a. It could be a recLOH, but I don't know how you could tell the difference between it and a single-step mutation. The importance of recLOH's is that, despite causing a count difference of more than one, they represent one mutation event (i.e., a genetic distance of one). If you count each numerical difference as a single-step mutation, you will over-estimate the genetic distance between individuals. On the other hand... Just because two people are 13,13,15,15 and 15,15,15,15 doesn't mean they differ by a single recLOH event. They may simply not be closely related. You invoke a recLOH when two people are a very tight match on other markers, making it highly unlikely that the differences at DYS464 represent repeated single-step mutations on the same marker. Diana

Dear Sandy One final comment. Sometimes it is really worth spending the money and going to an expert. So I would follow up on the suggestions that came in first. But I would also summarise everything salient about John Kennedy on no more than two sides of American Quarto - and turn it over to someone at Eneclann, for example. Just see whether the real experts on Irish history could come up with anything else - or they may even know something about Foundlings in Ireland at this time-period. It would give you the peace of mind that you have turned over every reasonable stone. BR Brian -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Coulter Sent: 18 January 2011 21:32 To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Intersting Situation - Thanks I can't thank you all enough for the most welcomed suggestions to my concern about my Kennedy cousin's DNA results! Each and every one is very much appreciated. In attempt to be brief, I'll try to address my responses to all in this one email. In response to Diana, I had forgotten about YSearch.org. I will definitely enter the DNA results there. I looked at their Kennedy comparisons today and need to analyze them a bit more. And I do hope the Pangburn's are the ones with the NPE. I am now trying to find another Kennedy cousin to test at FamilyTree DNA. Brian, unfortunately, I don't think we can triangulate on the John Kennedy who emigrated. He only had three sons and my ancestor was the only one who had sons that we know of. The other children were females. John Kennedy's birth 21 May 1801 in Belfast is noted in a family Bible and we have his emigration information to Laurens County, SC on 10 November 1819. I have searched online for a birth record and the only possibility found was a "foundling" born 15 March 1801 in St. Anne's Parish in the Townland of Shankill, Belfast, Antrim County. "OFFICIATING MINISTER ROBERT DOBBS MGR: CHILD REGISTERED AS A FOUNDLING." The denomination was Church of Ireland. I don't know if this is our John Kennedy or not; all of our Kennedy's seem to have been members of the Presbyterian denomination; but considering the church issues at that time in Ireland, that might not be pertinent. The cousin that was tested is a first cousin. The other possibility we have for testing is a 1st cousin once removed. We don't have very many males left of our line, unfortunately. But I will certainly try to find one further distanced. Debbie, I have been in contact with Iain Kennedy about the Guild of One-Name Studies. In fact, he is the one who initially got me interested in having a cousin complete a DNA test. I just yesterday exchanged emails with him again advising him of the test and asked what he now requires for joining his project. And I also have contacted Jim Kennedy for the other project and will definitely join his when we have settled on another contributor. As mentioned in my note to Brian above, I hope Iain has access to more birth records than what I found. Dennis, thanks for the information on your website. I just looked at and will study further what I found. The DYS markers values for 459 and 464 do fall within those you asked about. My cousin's 459a,b is 9, and the 464a,b is 15. Again, thanks to each of you for your valuable comments and suggestions ! Sandy Coulter ______________________________ PLEASE trim the amount you backquote in your replies to the minimum, especially if you subscribe in DIGEST mode. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandy, Several Kennedys are part of the Irish Type III cluster, related to Brian Boru. We need to see your marker values:- Does your DYS459=8,9 and DYS464=13,13,15,17 ? If so, have a look at www.irishtype3dna.org/ Dennis Wright ************************************************************************************ I have an interesting situation and need some guidance in how to pursue it. One of the few Kennedy males in my family submitted his DNA for testing at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, and I recently retrieved his report from GeneTree. Our family research has documented that John Kennedy, born in Belfast, Ireland, 21 May 1801, immigrated to the USA from Belfast to Laurens County SC 10 November 1819. But the single 100% Y-DNA match on GeneTree shows connections to the Pangburn/Pangborn family going back to 1640 in London, Middlesex Co., England. From the chart posted, none of the members of that family tree lived in Ireland nor in South Carolina in the USA. I checked the Kennedy surnames on the SMGF website, and the closest match there is a 30/37% match with a Kenty (Canty) surname of Canada and Wyoming. In thinking about this development, I am considering asking one of the other Kennedy cousins to submit their DNA to FamilyTree DNA. I know there are differences in comparing the results between the two companies, but I think FamilyTree DNA has the better reputation of the genealogy testing companies, and I've had a rather successful project there with one of my husband's family lines. Do you think this is the next step I should take at this point? Or does someone have other recommendations? I am still a bit in shock over this development. Thank you in advance for any advice you might give. Sandy Coulter sandyc@cebridge.net

I can't thank you all enough for the most welcomed suggestions to my concern about my Kennedy cousin's DNA results! Each and every one is very much appreciated. In attempt to be brief, I'll try to address my responses to all in this one email. In response to Diana, I had forgotten about YSearch.org. I will definitely enter the DNA results there. I looked at their Kennedy comparisons today and need to analyze them a bit more. And I do hope the Pangburn's are the ones with the NPE. I am now trying to find another Kennedy cousin to test at FamilyTree DNA. Brian, unfortunately, I don't we can triangulate on the John Kennedy who emigrated. He only had three sons and my ancestor was the only one who had sons that we know of. The other children were females. John Kennedy's birth 21 May 1801 in Belfast is noted in a family Bible and we have his emigration information to Laurens County, SC on 10 November 1819. I have searched online for a birth record and the only possibility found was a "foundling" born 15 March 1801 in St. Anne's Parish in the Townland of Shankill, Belfast, Antrim County. "OFFICIATING MINISTER ROBERT DOBBS MGR: CHILD REGISTERED AS A FOUNDLING." The denomination was Church of Ireland. I don't know if this is our John Kennedy or not; all of our Kennedy's seem to have been members of the Presbyterian denomination; but considering the church issues at that time in Ireland, that might not be pertinent. The cousin that was tested is a first cousin. The other possibility we have for testing is a 1st cousin once removed. We don't have very many males left of our line, unfortunately. But I will certainly try to find one further distanced. Debbie, I have been in contact with Iain Kennedy about the Guild of One-Name Studies. In fact, he is the one who initially got me interested in having a cousin complete a DNA test. I just yesterday exchanged emails with him again advising him of the test and asked what he now requires for joining his project. And I also have contacted Jim Kennedy for the other project and will definitely join his when we have settled on another contributor. As mentioned in my note to Brian above, I hope Iain has access to more birth records than what I found. Dennis, thanks for the information on your website. I just looked at and will study further what I found. The DYS markers values for 459 and 464 do fall within those you asked about. My cousin's 459a,b is 9, and the 464a,b is 15. Again, thanks to each of you for your valuable comments and suggestions ! Sandy Coulter

Sandy There are in fact two Kennedy DNA projects. There is a very large Kennedy DNA project at Family Tree DNA but I understand the focus of that project is on Kennedys in the USA: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/kennedy/default.aspx Iain Kennedy in Scotland has registered the Kennedy surname with the Guild of One-Name Studies and runs a small Kennedy project at DNA Heritage which I understand focuses on the surname in the British Isles. You can find his website here: http://www.kennedydna.com I would suggest you contact the administrators of both projects to see if anyone from the line in question has already been tested so that you can compare results. Iain might be able to help you with the documentary research. As you have the date and place of birth I would imagine that a baptism record will be available which will give you the names of the parents. Debbie Kennett

Dear Sandy I would try to do the obvious thing - which is how possible is it to triangulate on the John Kennedy who emigrated? In other words, if he had two sons, can you trace a male descendant of both branches and test? Once you know for sure that you have the genetic signature clearly for John Kennedy - you can proceed down the surname comparison route. The one fact you state which makes me puzzled - is that you have a precise date for his birth. If so - can't you trace the family further back in Northern Ireland by any conventional documentation? Where does this precise date come from? It depends on what you mean by the other Kennedy cousins. First cousins, second cousins, third cousins, etc. The further back, the better. Best regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Coulter Sent: 17 January 2011 11:41 To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Interesting Situation I have an interesting situation and need some guidance in how to pursue it. One of the few Kennedy males in my family submitted his DNA for testing at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, and I recently retrieved his report from GeneTree. Our family research has documented that John Kennedy, born in Belfast, Ireland, 21 May 1801, immigrated to the USA from Belfast to Laurens County SC 10 November 1819. But the single 100% Y-DNA match on GeneTree shows connections to the Pangburn/Pangborn family going back to 1640 in London, Middlesex Co., England. From the chart posted, none of the members of that family tree lived in Ireland nor in South Carolina in the USA. I checked the Kennedy surnames on the SMGF website, and the closest match there is a 30/37% match with a Kenty (Canty) surname of Canada and Wyoming. In thinking about this development, I am considering asking one of the other Kennedy cousins to submit their DNA to FamilyTree DNA. I know there are differences in comparing the results between the two companies, but I think FamilyTree DNA has the better reputation of the genealogy testing companies, and I've had a rather successful project there with one of my husband's family lines. Do you think this is the next step I should take at this point? Or does someone have other recommendations? I am still a bit in shock over this development. Thank you in advance for any advice you might give. Sandy Coulter sandyc@cebridge.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Before you become too disheartened, I would consider the possibility that the PANGBURNs may be the ones with the NPE: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/NPE_Resolutions.html But I would definitely test a KENNEDY cousin at FTDNA, not because I think there's any reason to believe the SMGF results are in erroneous, but to get yourself in the FTDNA database and enjoy the benefits of testing there. The main goal here is to be certain the first KENNEDY matches his cousin, and for this reason I would pick the most distant cousin you have to test. Have you uploaded his results to Ysearch? http://www.ysearch.org/ Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Coulter > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:41 AM > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Interesting Situation > > I have an interesting situation and need some guidance in how to > pursue it. > One of the few Kennedy males in my family submitted his DNA for > testing at > Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, and I recently retrieved > his report > from GeneTree. Our family research has documented that John > Kennedy, born > in Belfast, Ireland, 21 May 1801, immigrated to the USA from Belfast > to > Laurens County SC 10 November 1819. But the single 100% Y-DNA > match on > GeneTree shows connections to the Pangburn/Pangborn family going > back to > 1640 in London, Middlesex Co., England. From the chart posted, none > of the > members of that family tree lived in Ireland nor in South Carolina > in the > USA. > > > > I checked the Kennedy surnames on the SMGF website, and the closest > match > there is a 30/37% match with a Kenty(Canty) surname of Canada and > Wyoming. > > > > In thinking about this development, I am considering asking one of > the other > Kennedy cousins to submit their DNA to FamilyTree DNA. I know there > are > differences in comparing the results between the two companies, but > I think > FamilyTree DNA has the better reputation of the genealogy testing > companies, > and I've had a rather successful project there with one of my > husband's > family lines. > > > > Do you think this is the next step I should take at this point? Or > does > someone have other recommendations? I am still a bit in shock over > this > development. > > > > Thank you in advance for any advice you might give. > > > > Sandy Coulter

I have an interesting situation and need some guidance in how to pursue it. One of the few Kennedy males in my family submitted his DNA for testing at Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, and I recently retrieved his report from GeneTree. Our family research has documented that John Kennedy, born in Belfast, Ireland, 21 May 1801, immigrated to the USA from Belfast to Laurens County SC 10 November 1819. But the single 100% Y-DNA match on GeneTree shows connections to the Pangburn/Pangborn family going back to 1640 in London, Middlesex Co., England. From the chart posted, none of the members of that family tree lived in Ireland nor in South Carolina in the USA. I checked the Kennedy surnames on the SMGF website, and the closest match there is a 30/37% match with a Kenty(Canty) surname of Canada and Wyoming. In thinking about this development, I am considering asking one of the other Kennedy cousins to submit their DNA to FamilyTree DNA. I know there are differences in comparing the results between the two companies, but I think FamilyTree DNA has the better reputation of the genealogy testing companies, and I've had a rather successful project there with one of my husband's family lines. Do you think this is the next step I should take at this point? Or does someone have other recommendations? I am still a bit in shock over this development. Thank you in advance for any advice you might give. Sandy Coulter sandyc@cebridge.net

Thank you Kirsten and Dennis. Dennis, I just had an opportunity to pass your link along to the DNA Newbie List. CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com > Hi Cece, > > DYS439 is the last marker in the first row on the data entry screen for ysearch. If you are entering the results manually, be careful not to enter any data for DYS19b unless the haplotype you are working with shows a duplication for DYS19. > > Kirsten > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CeCe Moore" <cecemoore@hotmail.com> > To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40:30 PM > Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Genebase conversion for Y-search > > > Hi, > I am entering some values into Y-search from Genebase for my Proctor DNA Project and was wondering if there are any conversions necessary to compare them to FTDNA. Also, I cannot find the spot to enter STR 439/GATA A4. Can anyone help me out? > Thanks, > CeCe Moore > > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > www.studiointv.com > > > CeCe, > > You might find this helpful > http://irishtype3dna.org/convertmarkers.php#genebase > > Ysearch and FTDNA, since March 2010, are using identical nomenclature. > > Hope this helps > > Dennis Wright >

CeCe, You might find this helpful http://irishtype3dna.org/convertmarkers.php#genebase Ysearch and FTDNA, since March 2010, are using identical nomenclature. Hope this helps Dennis Wright ****************************************************************** Hi, I am entering some values into Y-search from Genebase for my Proctor DNA Project and was wondering if there are any conversions necessary to compare them to FTDNA. Also, I cannot find the spot to enter STR 439/GATA A4. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Hi Cece, DYS439 is the last marker in the first row on the data entry screen for ysearch. If you are entering the results manually, be careful not to enter any data for DYS19b unless the haplotype you are working with shows a duplication for DYS19. Kirsten ----- Original Message ----- From: "CeCe Moore" <cecemoore@hotmail.com> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:40:30 PM Subject: [Y-DNA-projects] Genebase conversion for Y-search Hi, I am entering some values into Y-search from Genebase for my Proctor DNA Project and was wondering if there are any conversions necessary to compare them to FTDNA. Also, I cannot find the spot to enter STR 439/GATA A4. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Having introduced myself, I would like to share an analysis I developed for Group 1 in the Stark Family Y-DNA Project entitled, "Aaron Stark's (1608-1685) Ancestral Roots; A Theory." This analysis can be found at URL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clovis/y-dnag1starkhobbs.htm Following is an abstract from the Analysis: ================================ At the time this theory was prepared for publication, twenty-six men with the surname Stark or Starks have - genetically and genealogically - been proven to share Aaron Stark (1608-1685) as a common ancestor. Seven were a perfect 37 Marker match to each other over the H37 Haplotype (Markers 1 through 37). In Parts I & II, the triangulation method devised by Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. was employed to define the H37 Ancestral Haplotype of Aaron Stark (1608-1685). In the genetic literature, a Modal Haplotype is composed of the most common Allele values observed at each marker over a specific haplotype. The H37 Ancestral Haplotype and the H37 Modal Haplotype of Aaron Stark's descendants has been observed to be identical. One descendant of Aaron Stark (Kit #N17289) has been confirmed to be a member of Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a* - this result predicting all of the descendants of Aaron genetically tested will be members of the same Haplogroup (FTDNA's shorthand notation is R-U106).[1] The purpose of this article will be to compare the Modal Haplotype of Aaron's descendants to persons in the FTDNA database genetically confirmed to be members of Haplogroup R-U106 - none of whom will have the surname Stark. In particular, the focus will be on participants reporting the geographical location of their earliest known ancestor in the British Isles or Western Europe. The combination of geographical information and genetic comparisons will then be analyzed to attempt to determine Aaron's ancestral roots. [In the publication that follows, the H37 Modal Haplotype of Aaron's descendants will be designated as the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype (shorthand notation will be ASMH).] ================================= Within this article is a Genetic & Historical Timeline I developed based on my observations of Aaron's direct male descendants that may or may not be of interest to the List. The average time span of a generation within Group 1, for example, was 34 years, which was then used to calculate calendar years based on the TMRCA generational calculations. In this case, the calendar years were compared to historical events related to the early western Germanic Tribes in Europe. Once I developed a Lineage Chart for this Group, it became obvious the generalized 25 Year generation time span quoted in much of the literature did not fit the observed genealogy over 10 to 12 generations --- for this group. Would be interested in the List's review and comments on this subject. Please be gentle with your criticism!!:<) Clovis LaFleur Fredericksburg, Texas

Hi, I am entering some values into Y-search from Genebase for my Proctor DNA Project and was wondering if there are any conversions necessary to compare them to FTDNA. Also, I cannot find the spot to enter STR 439/GATA A4. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Very nice work, Clovis! CeCe Moore www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Hello, My name is Clovis LaFleur, Administrator of the Stark Family Y-DNA Surname Project for the past three years. I am a retired Engineer, having worked as a Project Development Engineer designing Oil Field Services Equipment that measured different perimeters in the well bore. The Stark Surname Project is small in comparison to others, having 65 members at my last count. We are looking for members who have the surnames Stark, Starks, Starke, Starkes, and Stork. Presently, I have placed members into 11 Groups. I have various reasons for organizing these groups based on; 1) Genealogical Evidence and Genetic Matches; 2) US Descendants of Immigrant German Stark Families 3) Common Haplogroup; and 4) Unassigned. Our Group 1 as been divided into subgroups. All members of Subgroups 1a and 1b are known, genealogically, to be descendants of one common ancestor, Aaron Stark [1608-1685]. Aaron migrated to New England about 1630 and eventually settled in New London County, Connecticut. Members of Subgroup 1a are descendants of one of his sons, William, while members of Subgroup 1b are descendants of his other son, Aaron Stark (Junior). They are the only sons who could have passed the Senior Aaron's Y-DNA to those males with the surname Stark we know, genealogically, are his descendants. We are very fortunate, in this group, to have well documented genealogical data which has then been confirmed through Y-DNA test results of descendants of Aaron (Senior). These subgroups combined total 26 members. Being a descendant of Aaron, I have created a Web Site entitled, "The Aaron Stark Family Chronicles." You will find the home page at URL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clovis/ All of our members, accept for one, live in the US. In all of our Groups based on genetic and Genealogical matches, the common ancestor had immigrated from Europe. However, where this common ancestor lived in Europe is not known with certainty. We are hoping to be able, in the future, to attract male residents of Europe, with the above Surnames, to join our project to answer these questions. We have two Groups with the surname Stark that have their origin in Scotland and possibly England, but know, genetically, their Haplogroups have clearly proven there common ancestor lived about 3100 to 3900 years before the present. Our results are rather interesting and I invite the list members to visit my Project Administrator Web site at URL http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~clovis/Y-DNA%20Home.htm This will be the Home Page. You will fine the FTDNA public web site at URL http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Stark/default.aspx Look forward to corresponding with members of of the List in the future. Clovis LaFleur Fredericksburg, Texas

It's been suggested off-list that a description of how to collect the unique haplotypes data would be helpful. Here's how I did it: 1. Log on to your GAP and choose "Y-DNA Unique Haplotypes" under the Genetic Reports tab. 2. The first report to come up should be for Y-DNA12. We'll start with it. Notice that the data is NOT individually identified to participants. 3. Click the "Export Spreadsheet" button to copy the data into an Excel worksheet, an XML file. On the resulting dialogue box, choose "Open". a. The data will be in text format; apparent numbers will be text strings. This technicality matters later. 4. Make space for the calculations and avoid copying over any data by inserting two blank rows at the top or columns at the left. (You could do the calculating below the data, but it's messier.) 5. Enter the following formula into one of the blank cells you created above: "=COUNTA(A4:A999)", or if you inserted columns "=COUNTA(C2:C999)" If you have more than 998 haplotypes, change the formula accordingly. Do not include the column headings row in the calculation. The "COUNTA" version of the formula is needed because the " COUNT" version counts only numeric value. (It's a pain to convert the text strings to numbers.) 6. Record the count in a separate spreadsheet created for this purpose. Either save the XML spreadsheet for future use or close it without saving. a. You may, if you wish, sort on (up to three of) the columns to get different views of the data. 7. Repeat steps 3-6 for Y-DNA25, 37, 67. 8. Under the "Member Reports" tab, click "Project Statistics. Click "Export Spreadsheet" to open another XML file. 9. The last four items on this report are the number of results at each level (12, 25, etc.) Copy them also into the separate spreadsheet. 10. Calculate your ratios of haplotypes per test &/or tests per haplotype. Remember that the test categories are inclusive, rather than exclusive. Everyone tested at Y25, is included in the Y12; all at Y37 are included in Y25, etc. Not to worry; they were also included in the haplotype counts. If you'd like your project's data to be included in this exploration, e-mail it to me (preferably, off-list). It will be added at http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~taylorydna/diversity-dna.shtml. The exploration is in a very early phase. Five projects have contributed. -ralpht_/)

Your GAP log in is time limited and if its a while since you have done something I always reopen the (colorized) Results page before trying to access and if your time log has expired it defaults you to log in again otherwise the faults you are having will happen because you have been auto logged out. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 3:56 AM Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] can't access member pages at FTDNA GAP > LOL! Good one. And good advice. I closed my browser, tried again, and > the GAP > is behaving normally. > > Thank you!! > > Diana > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: y-dna-projects-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-projects- >> bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Custer >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 11:10 AM >> To: y-dna-projects@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-projects] can't access member pages at FTDNA GAP >> >> I had this happen once or twice a day or two ago but when I closed the >> browser > and >> reopened it, the problem went away. It hasn't occurred again. >> No idea why. Remember the old joke: >> >> Three men were in a car in the desert when it broke down. The >> electrician was > sure he >> could fix it by tinkering with the electrical system. After time though, >> he > gave up. Next, >> the engineer worked on the misener (my husband's term for a mythical, > mysterious part >> of a car) and adjusted the fuel pump and other under the hood gadgets. >> Still > no success. >> Finally the Microsoft guy said, "I know how to fix it. Close the >> windows, > open the >> windows, close the windows, open the windows.) >> >> To qualify, I was using Safari but the Microsoft approach worked fine. >> >> Nancy >> >> > >> >>On 1/8/2011 3:29 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: >> >> Is anyone else having this problem? When I click a Kit number on my >> >>project's membership roster, it should take me to that member's page. >> >>Instead, it takes me back to the project's home page! >> >> >> >> Diana > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-PROJECTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5925 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message