Because you match on DYS19 and on DYS607 with the other two Edwards, one of which was already in the past placed in my AS3 collection, I'd say you three are very likely related within the era of surnames. Cheapest way to expand to 111 markers would of course be doing this to the one already 67 markers. Any of you could do the Z382 test and consider it valid for the three of you. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Edwards Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z382 I'm AS3 458=14, 447=24, 449=30, and 464= 12 16 17 17 instead of 12 15 16 16 Would I be of assistance if I ordered the Z382 test? I've ordered nothing beyond my 37 markers but a match has done through 67 so I'm riding on his coat tails. Rich Edwards kit 117199 ________________________________ From: Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:37 AM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z382 -----Original Message----- From: Terry I've been looking at Z382 and the other SNPs for haplogroup I1. In the FTDNA I1 Project, there are still only five people that have taken the Z382 test (as of 12 March 2012). Two of them were Z382+ (positive), with one listed under the heading "AS 3 (Z59+, Z58+)", while the other Z382+ person is listed under "Z59+ (Z58+, Z59+, but not AS 3 or AS 13)". Now, whatever the definition is of your "robust clade AS3", I can't see why on the basis of those results you can say much about Z382+ and any association with STR values at this stage. [[Two of two from AS3 clade are L382+. There are no other Z382+ yet from outside of AS3, though I expect there will eventually be. The I1xL22 generics are showing up on all the new branch lines defined by the z snps, as they probably should in a rapidly expanding population. Others do the FTDNA Project classifying, not me. Robust clade means large count of members. My database has 156 haplotypes for clade AS3, and I have not updated my searches in quite a while. For those who think they are in AS3 based on first 67 markers, the 68-111 markers give four more special STR values --- 461 = 11, 441 = 15, 714 = 25, 715 = 25. In the first 67 markers the identifying marker values are 458 = 14, 447 = 24, 449 = 30, and 464 = 12,15,16,16. But AS3 seems older than most I1xL22 clades so has significant variance (mutations) in its haplotype population. KN]] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message