The people who classify you seem to use Z139 as brief name for a subhaplogroup designation. You are actually Z138+ according to my records, and they are presuming Z138 and Z139 are phyloequivalent. Your Z138+ raises the interesting question I mentioned a week or two ago. Not only is the 487 = 13 clade i1-ESc-13 turning out Z138+ Z139+, but it seems that much or most of the broader population of 487 = 13 within I1xL22 will turn out to be Z138+/Z139+. That's something I am keeping my eye on in any event. I don't believe you are part of I1-ESc-13, however. It is only about 2000 years old, allowing lots of upstream branch length for others to branch off. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bardy Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:23 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 I am not really sure if I'm in this clade (ESc) as I am classified as z139+ (even though my z139 results are pending from FTDNA). If you can shed any light here I would appreciate. Kit number 186577 (I know that my dys487 is 13 but there is another 13 result in AS2 as well) Thanks, Tony On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > All quiet on the 138/139 front, except I'd love to see more I1-ESc test > for > those snps > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:19 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] New I1xL22 tests --- Z62, Z141, Z73, DF29 > > No new developments for z138/139 right? > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > Are you Z60+ Z140-? > > Then Z73 test is for you. > > Z62 test is for you, too. > > Z141 is also an interesting test to do. > > > > Are you Z140+, then Z141 test could be of interest to you. > > > > Are you Z58- and Z63-? Then DF29 should be of definite interest for you > > to test? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message