Robust clade I1-AS3 is turning out Z382+ -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 8:08 PM To: Y-DNA Haplogroup I Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z58 (and downstream) and Z63 Dear List For those who tested positive for Z63, or Z58 and/or one of its downstream SNPs and are not members of the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project at FTDNA, you may find the Project’s Surname SNP Tree a useful guide if you are trying to decide which downstream SNP to test next. This chart is updated regularly, but I thought I would share a link to the latest version because there have been some positive results for Z73 and Z382. I will leave this file in my Dropbox account for a short period of time in case anyone wishes to download a copy: Surname SNP Tree link (ver. 11 Mar 2012): http://db.tt/97FNiNm1 SNP Distribution Maps Links: Z58+ Map: http://g.co/maps/gd879 Z63+ Map: http://g.co/maps/ahnxj I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project website: http://bit.ly/I1Z58andI1Z63 Kind regards Julie Frame Falk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been looking at Z382 and the other SNPs for haplogroup I1. In the FTDNA I1 Project, there are still only five people that have taken the Z382 test (as of 12 March 2012). Two of them were Z382+ (positive), with one listed under the heading "AS 3 (Z59+, Z58+)", while the other Z382+ person is listed under "Z59+ (Z58+, Z59+, but not AS 3 or AS 13)". Now, whatever the definition is of your "robust clade AS3", I can't see why on the basis of those results you can say much about Z382+ and any association with STR values at this stage. In regards to my own tree, I'm still holding back until there are more than just two positive Z382 results before suggesting an hypothesis on that SNP. Terry On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Robust clade I1-AS3 is turning out Z382+ > >