You forgot M227 which has a definite eastern tendency. The only part of I1 comparably eastern oriented is T2 - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:15 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Location of I1 founder? This goes in the direction mentioned by Juergen Fritsche few days ago. But take a look on all the subclades Z58- Z63- in your I1 tree: AS4 - Welsh ML - in my database mixed continental Europeans P1 - Poles P2 - dominated by Brits I1b - mixed Eastern and Western Europeans 1212 - don't know AS7E - English Three of the above seven clades are British (beside, I am not sure about ML and 1212). I1 people in the England and Wales are traditionally classified as descendants of Angles (from Southern Jutland), Saxons, Frisians, Juts, and Normans of Normandy (mixed). -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:49 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Location of I1 founder? I do not see enough data yet to pick a location. Main hint of evidence is from looking at Z58- Z63- Z131- haplotypes --- both clades and individual generics. They most all show a tendency to have higher frequencies of more easterly places of origin than rest of I1. The Welsh AS4 is a very interesting exception. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Marek Skarbek Kozietulski Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:41 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Location of I1 founder? Do you mean the MRCAs lived Mecklemburgia, Brandenburgia or Western Pomerania (Vorpommern)? What are the hints? This is very interesting. Marek Skarbek Kozietulski -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:31 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Location of I1 founder? Is it possible the MRCA for I1 lived more easterly in the north German plain than its present center of gravity? I think there are hints to that effect. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "The I1modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4890 - Release Date: 03/23/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4891 - Release Date: 03/24/12 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message