I'd say you are very likely to be in the AS3 clade. Two ways you could test this. Do the Z382 snp test and/or do the upgrade to 111 markers and look for the four str identifiers within which I mentioned. Unfortunately there is nothing in the 38-67 panel which will help for clade classifcation although it might be of help if you are looking for relatives within the clade. Incidently, I have another Edwards in AS3 but with slightly different DYS464 values. There are enough odd str values elsewhere in the 67, it could be compared with yours to see if you recently relate. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Edwards Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:20 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z382 I'm AS3 458=14, 447=24, 449=30, and 464= 12 16 17 17 instead of 12 15 16 16 Would I be of assistance if I ordered the Z382 test? I've ordered nothing beyond my 37 markers but a match has done through 67 so I'm riding on his coat tails. Rich Edwards kit 117199