DF29 is supposedly upstream from Z58, Z63 and L22. We have many DF29 tests on order for the latter two branches, so I think we should wait for those results first before encouraging further testing for individuals who are Z58+. Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] First DF29 results Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:54 AM From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Cc: I1-Z58andZ63@yahoogroups.com.au, genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Is not 12459 in AS3 and therefore also Z59+ and Z382+ ? One other df29+ is also Z138+ Z139+ as well as Z58+ So we need more upstream results on the Z58+ portion of the tree to pin this branch down. Maybe a Z58+ Z59- Z138- could be df29- ???