I have rebuilt in what I hope is a more streamlined (less cluttered) format the clade modalities in y haplogroup I1. I eventually want to do this for all y haplogroup I. File is “I1modalities.xls” at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net and it is a work in progress. I will finish and then update it from time to time as the data comes in. Only the STRs for which a clade has different modality than “standard/basic I1*” are indicated. 111 STR markers are included. The 68-111 markers are often quite informative for identifying clades. Originally I was going to delay this rebuild until the new z series snps were all understood with regard to the clades. But FTDNA is surely in no rush to get the ordered test results out, so I will put out this incomplete file. Interclade node age estimates are entirely different things than clade tmrca estimates. See “Tree for I1” to get a sense of the interclade node ages. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained.

Thanks for the new table, Ken. I found a possible typo in ML 253 for DYS447. You have "14" but perhaps it should be "24". John M Rhodes On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I have rebuilt in what I hope is a more streamlined (less cluttered) > format the clade modalities in y haplogroup I1. I eventually want to do > this for all y haplogroup I. > > File is “I1modalities.xls” at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net and it > is a work in progress. > > I will finish and then update it from time to time as the data comes in. > Only the STRs for which a clade has different modality than > “standard/basic I1*” are indicated. > > 111 STR markers are included. The 68-111 markers are often quite > informative for identifying clades. > > Originally I was going to delay this rebuild until the new z series snps > were all understood with regard to the clades. But FTDNA is surely in no > rush to get the ordered test results out, so I will put out this incomplete > file. > > Interclade node age estimates are entirely different things than clade > tmrca estimates. See “Tree for I1” to get a sense of the interclade node > ages. > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I ask if anyone dared to check what the Klyosov approach "branch by branch" is predicting for I1 , using the tree provided ? My point is that it seems that A. Klyosov is publishing a lot and no one (besides him) is using it. Recently, I realized that a paper published in 2011 (work from 2010) : Increased Resolution of Y Chromosome Haplogroup T Defines Relationships among Populations of the Near East, Europe, and Africa Fernando L. Mendez, Tatiana M. Karafet, Thomas Krahn, Harry Ostrer, Himla Soodyall, and Michael F. Hammer Human Biology 83(1):39-53. 2011 is using Zhivotovsky mutation rates and a Batwing analysis; please notice that Th. Krahn is a co-author. Are we in such a wild world ? People know how much Ken explained here and there how to use ASD and "the last maximal ice refuigium" died out (not for everyone around). A. Klyosov is now providing another approach . I hope one day we can find a coherent timing. Thank you Ken for the efforts towards a I1 tree. > > I have rebuilt in what I hope is a more streamlined (less cluttered) format the clade modalities in y haplogroup I1. I eventually want to do this for all y haplogroup I. File is “I1modalities.xls” at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net and it is a work in progress. I will finish and then update it from time to time as the data comes in. Only the STRs for which a clade has different modality than “standard/basic I1*” are indicated. 111 STR markers are included. The 68-111 markers are often quite informative for identifying clades. Originally I was going to delay this rebuild until the new z series snps were all understood with regard to the clades. But FTDNA is surely in no rush to get the ordered test results out, so I will put out this incomplete file. Interclade node age estimates are entirely different things than clade tmrca estimates. See “Tree for I1” to get a sense of the interclade node ages. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained.