Hi.I am kit 218282. I was I2a. My M26 results came back +, as expected from my Fant yDNA. The results of my L160 test are supposed to done by the end of March. I would expect it to be positive also. Bryan Shew, now I2a1 From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-request@rootsweb.com Subject: Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:52:12 -0700 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: kenruud@gmail.com To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:28:52 +0100 Subject: [yDNAhgI] My Z-SNP results Hi just got back my test results for me a typical I1* generic kit 174815 Ysearch X7RV7 Z58- Z59- FTDNA resultsso far M253+ Z59- Z58- P259- P109- M72- M227- M21- L22- Best regards Ken --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: jdf4072@gmail.com To: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:51:51 +1100 Subject: [yDNAhgI] GD Comparisons between SNP groups Dear All As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: rjhaskins@qwest.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:37:29 -0600 Subject: [yDNAhgI] N5004 Latest SNP Test Results: AS2 - I1f2 Here are my latest results from FTDNA: Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ Z59- L338- Bob Haskins rjhaskins@qwest.net FTDNA #N5004 Ysearch 5ET8U AS2, I1f2 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: jdf4072@gmail.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:28:47 -0700 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] [DNA] GD Comparisons between SNP groups I noticed in your new project database there is a large number of haplotypes with M253>df29>.................. But DF29 is not in FTDNA catalog for sale (as of hour ago). So how do you know they are DF29+? Presumption? Probably if you are going to add all that preamble to all the haplotypes, you should use red and green or something similar to separate "tested" from "presumed"? -----Original Message----- From: Julie Frame Falk Dear All As a follow up to adding surnames/geographic origins to SNP clusters for the I1>Z58+ and I1>Z63+ Project, I thought I would make some genetic distance comparisons over 67 and 111 markers between kit 64529 who is at the tip of a branch (L803+, L802+), and others in the Project (in blue text) on different SNP branches downstream of Z58, and also those on the Z63 branch. The tree with GD comparisons can be viewed here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32097634/I1-%20Z58%2B%20%26%20Z63%2B%20Project%20-%20SNP%20Tree%20GD%20Comparisons.pdf I’m still trying to process what I am seeing but if anyone has the time, I would appreciate some comment. I’ve put GD ranges for the longer lists. I was surprised that 64529 (outside of his own L803 cluster) had closer comparisons with the Z63+ column than with any on the Z58+ subgroups. As I understand it, the interclade node age of Z58 and Z63 is estimated to be 4,150 years (if that is still current). I’ve always checked YSearch to see who 64529 matches outside of the FTDNA threshold (for historical research purposes) and matches such as 67-13 – 67-18 are always considered for further exploration. Looking now at these Z58 and Z63 branches, I can see 64529 has matches of equal GD on both the Z58 and Z63 branches. If I didn’t now know 64529’s correct SNP branch, then these other ‘close’ matches would all be red herrings. I suppose this is telling me that possibly a large percentage of seemingly close matches at YSearch etc. are simply coincidences due to convergence. The flip side would then seem to be that some of those at a greater GD but with whom 64529 shares a series of SNPs, may actually be much more closely related than they seem. I’m still thinking this through but worried about the extent - how confident can we really be that a close match is really that, if we don’t personally test SNPs ourselves to ensure convergence is not an issue with our haplotypes? I may be worrying unnecessarily, so if anyone can help me understand a little better, I would sincerely appreciate it. Kindest regards Julie Frame Falk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENEALOGY-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: knordtvedt@bresnan.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:39:09 -0700 Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z63+ and Z58-Z63- I have record of 22 haplotypes which tested Z63+; 17 of them are in the T2 clade, only 5 apparently outside of T2. There is a substantial Z58- Z63- Z131- population --- presently still I1* by formal name --- outside of the several clades Z58- Z63- Z131- This generic I1* population looks to have a TMRCA of 4100 years by variance estimate. The Z58+ population carries the bulk of I1xL22, but it divides into a number of different and interesting branches. FTDNA will hopefully someday put some more Z series snps into its catalog, along with DF29 which is a very interesting upstream I1 snp. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: bill4csa@bellsouth.net To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:52:01 -0600 Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's Ken I followed yor suggestion and ordered l369 and L137. When prdering L137 they also had L1371 and L1372. Should I do anything with these SNP 's yet or wait. Bill McReynolds -----Original Message----- From: y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:y-dna-haplogroup-i-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:31 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] What SNP's I don't think it makes any sense to test snps further upstream. There are no Z snps downstream of M284. You could confirm that you are L369 and L137+, but I would not put high priority on that; it seems a good bet. I am kit 12835 with FTDNA and tested positive for M223, M284 & L126. I am presumed positive for many others. Should I test to prove positive for those SNP's or accept the assumption. I have not tested for any Z's or L369. Any suggestions? Bill McReynolds ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message