I noticed a bunch of clades and clusters tonight which seem to be fitting together in their geography, strs, and snps. I sure wish we had more of this substantial complex who did the 68-111 set of strs. Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and to some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia? Ken

Hi Ken, I’m wondering if I might be part of this group. I'm off one number for DYS442(12 instead of 11) and DYS458 (15 instead of16) but 15 at DYS464d and 15 at DYS19. I'm Z60+ and Z140-. Vic Jensen Kit N29579 YSearch DM35M -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? I noticed a bunch of clades and clusters tonight which seem to be fitting together in their geography, strs, and snps. I sure wish we had more of this substantial complex who did the 68-111 set of strs. Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and to some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You could be; I see also 463 = 20 for you. -----Original Message----- From: Victor Jensen Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 9:25 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? Hi Ken, I’m wondering if I might be part of this group. I'm off one number for DYS442(12 instead of 11) and DYS458 (15 instead of16) but 15 at DYS464d and 15 at DYS19. I'm Z60+ and Z140-. Vic Jensen Kit N29579 YSearch DM35M -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:47 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com ; genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? I noticed a bunch of clades and clusters tonight which seem to be fitting together in their geography, strs, and snps. I sure wish we had more of this substantial complex who did the 68-111 set of strs. Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and to some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message