What do you mean by matches being expats? Yes, other than the two Scandinavians, the clade looks solidly lowland or east Scot. There are no further snps downstream of Z138/Z139 right now. I noticed you are one of the five or 6 who has done the 111 markers in the clade. I have urged others in the clade to expand to 111 markers to eventually help us improve the time estimates for its evolution. There is a certain extra amount of interest here on my part concerning ESc-13; I'm one of the core members. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Derek Paterson Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:31 PM To: Ydna I1 list Subject: [yDNAhgI] Fw: I1* KN Z138/Z139 ------Original Message------ From: Derek Paterson To: Ydna I1 list Subject: I1* KN Z138/Z139 Sent: 9 Feb 2012 03:01 Hi Ken/all I've just done a bunch of new tests (FTDNA kit 128312) and following Ken's latest tree I seem to be alongside him in a generic bucket next to AS2. Are there many others in this clade/lack of clade? Genealogy is pretty solid lowland Scot back to early 18th century. Matches in FTDNA are all expats which I think skews things a little. P38+ M253+ P30+ P40+ Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ P259- P109- M227- M21- M72- L338- L33- S142/L22- L211- Z63- Z59- Z131- Anything promising in new Z tests that might further split this group? Best Derek ------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message