I had one of my NPE relatives' results get returned today and Cullen's predictor puts him as an AS13. On your best estimates, where did this subclade originate. Thanks, Jim Jim Owston James M. Owston, EdD Dean of Distance Learning Associate Professor: Communication & Media Mountain State University PO Box 9003 Beckley, WV 25802-9003 304.929.1356 800.766.6167, ext. 1356