Several weeks ago I mentioned a new member at the FTDNA I2a (I-P37.2) Project, he has paternal ancestry from southern Iraq and 111 markers that are a very distant match to our "Isles" members. All of the "Isles" people who have done the L161 SNP test have received L161+ results, and recently the person from Iraq did also. The name "Isles" is just a nickname that helps people remember which group we are talking about, I'm not making a statement about where this group arose or started to flourish. At FTDNA, Isles is currently called I2a2b and it may be called something else by other people. Ken Nordtvedt has placed the Iraq people on his own branch of the tree, separate from other I-L161 people: http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net/Tree%20and%20Map%20for%20Hg%20I.pdf Bernie Cullen one of the volunteer administrators. I2a Project at FTDNA and at DNA.Ancestry.com http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup/default.aspx?section=ycolorized