You are certainly not in a generic bucket next to AS2. You are a core member of the I1-ESc-13 clade. While there are 2 or 3 unaffiliated Z138+ and/or Z139+ right now, the others are either AS2 or this robust Scot-dominated clade which also interestingly has a Dane and a Norwegian. I count about 30 in the clade of which I'd call 18 as making up the most reliable core. 5 have extended to 111 markers, with there being three markers in the 68-111 panel which add much substance to the clade. The node age where the two branches, one to AS2, the other to ESc-13, part ways is quite a long time ago. See "tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net -----Original Message----- From: Derek Paterson Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:31 PM To: Ydna I1 list Subject: [yDNAhgI] Fw: I1* KN Z138/Z139 ------Original Message------ From: Derek Paterson To: Ydna I1 list Subject: I1* KN Z138/Z139 Sent: 9 Feb 2012 03:01 Hi Ken/all I've just done a bunch of new tests (FTDNA kit 128312) and following Ken's latest tree I seem to be alongside him in a generic bucket next to AS2. Are there many others in this clade/lack of clade? Genealogy is pretty solid lowland Scot back to early 18th century. Matches in FTDNA are all expats which I think skews things a little. P38+ M253+ P30+ P40+ Z58+ Z139+ Z138+ P259- P109- M227- M21- M72- L338- L33- S142/L22- L211- Z63- Z59- Z131- Anything promising in new Z tests that might further split this group? Best Derek ------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message