-----Original Message----- From: Bernie Cullen So they have noticed the "Western" type of I-P37.2, the kind with DYS388=15. Ken Nordtvedt discovered this group some time before 2008. We now know that most [[all?]] of this group is L233+, called I2a3 at FTDNA. [[Western clade was found about 2005, but I only fleshed out its str and geographical characteristics. An engineer from Finland or Latvia (or both) who is bonified Dinaric P37+ first brought this then odd cluster to my attention using the original 37 STR markers of that time. Ken ]]