Ken ~ Thanks once again for your work in helping (me) to better understand this HG stuff. You said: "Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and t o some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia?" I'm Kit 154151 (y-Search MUZGY) Z60+ Z140- L803-, and I think I'm in this group although I'm DYS463=21. I've been actively encouraging a couple from this bunch to do some other testing, both STR and SNP and wonder what suggestion/direction you might give? My own genealogy research back to c. 1450 at Åland Islands includes speculation of migration from the Northern Baltic shore (perhaps the area now know as Germany) to perhaps from what is now Sweden before 1000 CE, . This is surely much to late for any help in better understanding "the first arriving populations into northerly Scandinavia." I'm biting my nails to a nub waiting for Z73. Roy

I finally did do some tmrca estimates by variance for the AS9/AS16 complex and your L803 Estimated age for node where your L803 line separates from AS9/AS16 complex line to be slightly more than 3000 years ago. Estimated age for tmrca of AS9/AS16 complex to be slightly more than 2000 years ago. Your L803+ is much younger. I think this all shows now on my revised "Tree for I1" which is online. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Silfven Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:19 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? Ken ~ Thanks once again for your work in helping (me) to better understand this HG stuff. You said: "Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not done a node age estimate yet. Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, DYS464d = 15, 458 = 16, and t o some extent DYS463 = 20 Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up into multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia?" I'm Kit 154151 (y-Search MUZGY) Z60+ Z140- L803-, and I think I'm in this group although I'm DYS463=21. I've been actively encouraging a couple from this bunch to do some other testing, both STR and SNP and wonder what suggestion/direction you might give? My own genealogy research back to c. 1450 at Åland Islands includes speculation of migration from the Northern Baltic shore (perhaps the area now know as Germany) to perhaps from what is now Sweden before 1000 CE, . This is surely much to late for any help in better understanding "the first arriving populations into northerly Scandinavia." I'm biting my nails to a nub waiting for Z73. Roy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kit # 181820 ("M253-AS9" ) Y-Search 2F5KC, just posted L803 - . (Z60+,Z59+,Z58+,Z140-,Z138-,P259-,P109-, M72-,M227-,M21-,L803-,L338-,L22- ) Upgrade 67 to 11 "Pending", results predicted 4/2/12. Waiting to order Z 73 ??? On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt wrote: > I finally did do some tmrca estimates by variance for the AS9/AS16 > complex > and your L803 > > Estimated age for node where your L803 line separates from AS9/AS16 > complex > line to be slightly more than 3000 years ago. > > Estimated age for tmrca of AS9/AS16 complex to be slightly more than > 2000 > years ago. Your L803+ is much younger. > > I think this all shows now on my revised "Tree for I1" which is > online. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Silfven > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:19 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Early North Scandinavian I1 clade/haplogroup? > > Ken ~ > > Thanks once again for your work in helping (me) to better understand > this HG > stuff. > > You said: "Their snp status seems to be Z60+ but Z140- > It includes AS9 and AS16, but is more. > L803+ branch line leaves this population quite early, but I have not > done a > node age estimate yet. > > Their geography seems more than usual amount of Scandinavian. > > Their str identifiers consist of DYS19 = 15 or 16, DYS442 = 11, > DYS464d = > 15, 458 = 16, and t o some extent DYS463 = 20 > > Overall, this population looks relatively old back to its break up > into > multiple clusters; that’s why I wonder if it was one of the first I1 > arriving populations into more northerly Scandinavia?" > > > I'm Kit 154151 (y-Search MUZGY) Z60+ Z140- L803-, and I think I'm in > this > group although I'm DYS463=21. I've been actively encouraging a > couple from > this bunch to do some other testing, both STR and SNP and wonder what > suggestion/direction you might give? > > My own genealogy research back to c. 1450 at Åland Islands includes > speculation of migration from the Northern Baltic shore (perhaps the > area > now know as Germany) to perhaps from what is now Sweden before 1000 > CE, . > This is surely much to late for any help in better understanding > "the first > arriving populations into northerly Scandinavia." > > I'm biting my nails to a nub waiting for Z73. > > Roy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message