Answering your question, there are no issues with L801. FT DNA, however, updates their official tree only once a year. There are many misunderstandings regarding SNP's downstream from M223. I don't know where such misunderstandings originate but I know why they are perpetuated: people aren't looking at the sources. The biggest, most reliable source is the SNP results page of our M223 project, which can then be contrasted with our Y-STR results page. It is publicly available for anyone to see here: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=ysnp . As Ken said, the incorrect interpretations perpetuated by the ISOGG M223 tree and by the FT DNA y tree are leading customers to order tests that are not applicable to them. The only correct, updated M223 tree is the one displayed here: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=news . Please note that I don't touch on M379 for a reason: it was mentioned by a single source as being observed in an individual in Pakistan many years ago and hasn't been seen again since. I don't believe there is enough information to discard a lab error, much less to place it correctly on the M223 tree. I copy the only up-to-date M223 tree here: 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) 1.1- L812* (Roots) 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) 1.5- M284* (Isles E) 1.5.1-L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) Best regards, Aaron Torres Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:56 PM From: "Haakon Styri" <styri@online.no> To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Using ISOGG haplogroup names the P95 haplogroup needs to be renamed because it's a subhaplogroup of L801. Not a big issue, really. If there are any issues regarding L801 I don't know about them, but FTDNA haven't adjusted their draft tree to display P95 as a subhaplogroup of L801. That makes me ask: are there any issues? Why is FTDNA delaying a simple update of the draft tree? H.Styri
Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question. I asked why FTDNA haven't updated their _draft_ tree. I guess only FTDNA can provide us with an answer. H.Styri > From: Aaron Salles Torres [sallfertorr@yahoo.com] > Sent: 2012-02-19 15:22:40 MET > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > > Answering your question, there are no issues with L801. FT DNA, however, updates their official tree only once a year. > > There are many misunderstandings regarding SNP's downstream from M223. I don't know where such misunderstandings originate but I know why they are perpetuated: people aren't looking at the sources. The biggest, most reliable source is the SNP results page of our M223 project, which can then be contrasted with our Y-STR results page. It is publicly available for anyone to see here: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=ysnp . > > As Ken said, the incorrect interpretations perpetuated by the ISOGG M223 tree and by the FT DNA y tree are leading customers to order tests that are not applicable to them. > > The only correct, updated M223 tree is the one displayed here: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=news . > > Please note that I don't touch on M379 for a reason: it was mentioned by a single source as being observed in an individual in Pakistan many years ago and hasn't been seen again since. I don't believe there is enough information to discard a lab error, much less to place it correctly on the M223 tree. > > I copy the only up-to-date M223 tree here: > > > 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) > > 1.1- L812* (Roots) > > 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) > > 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) > > 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) > > 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) > > 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) > > 1.5- M284* (Isles E) > > 1.5.1-L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) > > Best regards, > Aaron Torres > > Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:56 PM > From: > "Haakon Styri" <styri@online.no> > To: > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Using ISOGG haplogroup names the P95 haplogroup needs to be renamed because it's a subhaplogroup of L801. Not a big issue, really. > > If there are any issues regarding L801 I don't know about them, but FTDNA haven't adjusted their draft tree to display P95 as a subhaplogroup of L801. That makes me ask: are there any issues? Why is FTDNA delaying a simple update of > the draft tree? > > H.Styri > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
It is a business cost for them to do so in a timely manner. For us interested hobbyists the out-of-pocket cost is very minimal. They have to allocate their resources in an efficient manner; and remember, they have the entire y tree to keep updated, as well as their other many other tasks. When the company gets sold out to a mega-corporation they want the financial books to look great. Yikes! I have a bunch of nightmare images of what happens to the hobby when such a buy out happens. -----Original Message----- From: Haakon Styri Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:53 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question. I asked why FTDNA haven't updated their _draft_ tree. I guess only FTDNA can provide us with an answer. H.Styri > From: Aaron Salles Torres [sallfertorr@yahoo.com] > Sent: 2012-02-19 15:22:40 MET > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Cc: genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > > Answering your question, there are no issues with L801. FT DNA, however, > updates their official tree only once a year. > > There are many misunderstandings regarding SNP's downstream from M223. I > don't know where such misunderstandings originate but I know why they are > perpetuated: people aren't looking at the sources. The biggest, most > reliable source is the SNP results page of our M223 project, which can > then be contrasted with our Y-STR results page. It is publicly available > for anyone to see here: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=ysnp > . > > As Ken said, the incorrect interpretations perpetuated by the ISOGG M223 > tree and by the FT DNA y tree are leading customers to order tests that > are not applicable to them. > > The only correct, updated M223 tree is the one displayed here: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/M223-Y-Clan/default.aspx?section=news > . > > Please note that I don't touch on M379 for a reason: it was mentioned by a > single source as being observed in an individual in Pakistan many years > ago and hasn't been seen again since. I don't believe there is enough > information to discard a lab error, much less to place it correctly on the > M223 tree. > > I copy the only up-to-date M223 tree here: > > > 1- M223* (I2b1-X, I2b1-XX, Roots-X, Roots/L812-) > > 1.1- L812* (Roots) > > 1.1.1- L319 (Roots) > > 1.2- L801* (Cont1, Cont1a, Cont1b, Cont2a, Cont2b/P95-) > > 1.2.1- P95 (Cont2b) > > 1.3- P78 (Cont3a) > > 1.4- L623, L147.4 (Cont2c) > > 1.5- M284* (Isles E) > > 1.5.1-L126, L137, L369 (Isles Limbo, Isles Sc) > > Best regards, > Aaron Torres > > Re: [yDNAhgI] ISOGG "I1" tree? > Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:56 PM > From: > "Haakon Styri" <styri@online.no> > To: > y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Using ISOGG haplogroup names the P95 haplogroup needs to be renamed > because it's a subhaplogroup of L801. Not a big issue, really. > > If there are any issues regarding L801 I don't know about them, but FTDNA > haven't adjusted their draft tree to display P95 as a subhaplogroup of > L801. That makes me ask: are there any issues? Why is FTDNA delaying a > simple update of > the draft tree? > > H.Styri > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message