A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new!

I find it strange the happy birthday forum's discussion of the I1 z snps impact leaves out the quite robust fraction showing up negative for all three snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gene Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Verzonden: donderdag 9 februari 2012 17:17 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics I find it strange the happy birthday forum's discussion of the I1 z snps impact leaves out the quite robust fraction showing up negative for all three snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gene Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findp ost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, Z58+very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone was finally found who is positive for Z131? Dora --- On Thu, 2/9/12, Wim Callewaert <callmewimpy@telenet.be> wrote: From: Wim Callewaert <callmewimpy@telenet.be> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, February 9, 2012, 2:01 PM Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim

Who, Who, Who was the Z131+ ? That's the real news in my eyes. Exciting that one was found. I think your 25 percent negative for all three looks about right. It depends on whether you count clade folks or just generic folks. -----Original Message----- From: Wim Callewaert Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:01 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics Of course. I forgot to mention those negative for all Z snps, but in the database I looked at, 55 % were Z58+, 18 % Z63+, 2 % Z131+ and 25 % negative for all. Wim -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Verzonden: donderdag 9 februari 2012 17:17 Aan: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics I find it strange the happy birthday forum's discussion of the I1 z snps impact leaves out the quite robust fraction showing up negative for all three snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The AS1212 clade along with others seems to be of this population which remains I1* as of now. See "Tree for I1" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net However, AS1212 itself divides into two subclades. The one with 24/30/15 at 447, 449, 464d seems not to have had a member test yet for the three basic snps. There are of course a number of additional z snps FTDNA has not yet added to their catalog. We don't know how AS1212 will do with them. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Gene Prescott Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:56 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Testing sequence for I1-ASgenerics A recent exchange on DNA-Forums. What do folks here think about the 'pecking order' for testing of I1-ASgenerics? FWIW my group is in Ken's group currently entitled AS-1212 on the 2/3/2012 version of his tree. Posted Today, 02:41 AM [image: View Post]<http://dna-forums.org/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findp ost&pid=302565>Van Laar, on 08 February 2012 - 18:48 PM, said: So far L211 seems private or a family snp. I feel bad for all the people who ordered L211, but at the time of discovery there was no way to know how wide or narrow it was to be found. I had the same with S79. On the other hand I think that most of the I1-AS generic will turn out Z58+, only a small part Z63 (most of the Z63+ are I1- T2) and a very, Z58+very small part Z131. The split becomes more interesting at the Z59, Z60, Z138, Z139 level. Wimpy I1 AS-Generic + : M170 / M253 / M258 /M307 / P19 / P30 / P38 S79+ (private) - : M21 /M227 / P259 / P109 / L338 -- Gene Prescott Greenville, NC C. Eugene Prescott, CPA web/blogsite: http://taxtechcpa.blogspot.com/ There is always something new! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message