Prize: free admission to one of Newt Gingrich's sermons/professoriallectures (he is an amateur paleontologist!) to the first person who finds a public Z131+ with extended haplotype. With some effort, I believe one or more of the three indicated dna samples could be purchased from the depository catalog, and then extended haplotype produced by FTDNA for a fee. -----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:49 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Possible clue to location of Z131 Gary has reminded me that In his recent repost of the haplotypes associated with the non-Norse I1 SNP's found by the 1000 Genomes Project, he posted a clue about Z131 that I missed. The locations of the three Z131+ people are: NA11992: CEU (Utah) HG00117: GBR (Orkney) HG00140: GBR (Kent) Unfortunately Kent isn't at all ethnically isolated, least of all from people of Norse and Scottish descent. Orkney is another story. Orkney is a set of islands off the North coast of Scotland, immediately to the north of Scotland. It seems like the Orkney one should be a clue; I believe that the I1 people on that island don't have much variation and are of Norse origin. It was settled in Neolithic times and has had atleast two historic influxes of people from Scotland. "Picts" were there at one point, but Picts were basically an anti-Roman alliance of people in northern Scotland that eventually politically dominated northern and central Scotland, so it most likely means people from northern Scotland. More recently "Scottish entrepreneurs" settled there, and you'd think they might have been more from the south (and might be ethnically anything). So Z131 should maybe be sought among people from Orkney, Norway and Scotland? Places of Anglo-Saxon settlement, such as southeastern Scotland (and Kent) cannot be ruled out. I believe that Orkney is not all that genetically heterogenous, so if one Z131+ person came from there, perhaps more of them might not be that hard to find? One thing you'd not seriously expect in Orkney, so far as I know, is an eastern I1 clade. Yours, Dora ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:49 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Possible clue to location of Z131 Gary has reminded me that In his recent repost of the haplotypes associated with the non-Norse I1 SNP's found by the 1000 Genomes Project, he posted a clue about Z131 that I missed. The locations of the three Z131+ people are: NA11992: CEU (Utah) HG00117: GBR (Orkney) HG00140: GBR (Kent) [[[ Does it not strike you as odd that they found among 15 or so three purported Z131+; while none have shown up yet among many dozens of Z131 tests now from FTDNA? That must be saying something about selection effects here or there? ]]]

Hope I'm not the first one to find a public Z131! LOL! How much would it cost to purchase one of the dna samples from the depository catalog? I don't suppose there is any chance of identifying the Utah person; good chance he knows more about his ancestry, and may even have submitted a sample to SMGF. Dora -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Nordtvedt [mailto:knordtvedt@bresnan.net] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 2:03 PM To: tiggernut24@yahoo.com; y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Possible clue to location of Z131 Prize: free admission to one of Newt Gingrich's sermons/professoriallectures (he is an amateur paleontologist!) to the first person who finds a public Z131+ with extended haplotype. With some effort, I believe one or more of the three indicated dna samples could be purchased from the depository catalog, and then extended haplotype produced by FTDNA for a fee.

-----Original Message----- From: Dora Smith Hope I'm not the first one to find a public Z131! LOL! How much would it cost to purchase one of the dna samples from the depository catalog? I don't suppose there is any chance of identifying the Utah person; good chance he knows more about his ancestry, and may even have submitted a sample to SMGF. [[Several years ago I did purchase a key dna sample from one of those depositories, after an academic researcher gave me the catalog number for his M284+ discovery. It costs about $50 if I can remember correctly, and there was some bureaucratic things I had to do to make it clear it was for research purposes. I'm not keen to do this again. But others might want to pursue things. I think 1000 Genomes people are best (probably only) source of dna sample information. ]]