I want to thank the five people who seem to be generic, are either Z58-, Z63-, and Z131- or Z58- and Z63-, and who have ordered DF29 tests. With the new upstream snp DF29 added to FTDNA catalog, one big goal is to see if there is I1 life before DF29. Or does DF29 turn out phyloequivalent to M253 now that Z131 is effectively out of the picture for the indefinite future. On this same issue, it is important that all established clades found Z58- Z63- and Z131- have a representative testing DF29. I think all are covered except maybe the robust AS4 clade and the M227+ subhaplogroup? Can someone from these groups do the DF29 test? Or maybe I have missed some orders which fall outside of the Projects I can monitor? Ken

I can arrange to have one of the Merediths who is AS4 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merideth/surnameproject.htm (see the yellow section) do DF29--does it make any difference which one it should be? Sharon Haggerty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> To: <y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:08 PM Subject: [yDNAhgI] Does I1xL22 have life before DF29? >I want to thank the five people who seem to be generic, are either Z58-, >Z63-, and Z131- or Z58- and Z63-, and who have ordered DF29 tests. > > With the new upstream snp DF29 added to FTDNA catalog, one big goal is to > see if there is I1 life before DF29. Or does DF29 turn out > phyloequivalent to M253 now that Z131 is effectively out of the picture > for the indefinite future. > > On this same issue, it is important that all established clades found Z58- > Z63- and Z131- have a representative testing DF29. I think all are > covered except maybe the robust AS4 clade and the M227+ subhaplogroup? > > Can someone from these groups do the DF29 test? Or maybe I have missed > some orders which fall outside of the Projects I can monitor? > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

OK, get ready for this. My brother and his clone are definitely related. Because not telling me they had done it would be typical of either of them. I looked through my Gower project, which I administer, to see if my brother's mystery clone, who's a Gower and not a Smith, ordered DF29 and I don't know it, which could happen several ways. Sometimes he orders things and never tells me, and sometimes I never see my e-mail. He doesn't appear to have ordered DF29, but he does appear to have ordered and have results for Walk the Y. Now, this is interesting. But I've no idea how to read the results. I'm looking basically at a bunch of folders with sub folders. Could someone please help me with it? My brother and his clone are Anglo-Saxon generic, pretty much modal at 25 markers. They are negative for Z58, Z138, and Z63, and for Z131, of course. Yours, Dora

I have 111-markers from FTDNA and am I1 M253 L22-. I have Z58 and D29 on order. Kit 80366, John M Rhodes On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:08 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > I want to thank the five people who seem to be generic, are either Z58-, > Z63-, and Z131- or Z58- and Z63-, and who have ordered DF29 tests. > > With the new upstream snp DF29 added to FTDNA catalog, one big goal is to > see if there is I1 life before DF29. Or does DF29 turn out phyloequivalent > to M253 now that Z131 is effectively out of the picture for the indefinite > future. > > On this same issue, it is important that all established clades found Z58- > Z63- and Z131- have a representative testing DF29. I think all are covered > except maybe the robust AS4 clade and the M227+ subhaplogroup? > > Can someone from these groups do the DF29 test? Or maybe I have missed > some orders which fall outside of the Projects I can monitor? > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >