That's essentially automatic; Z58, Z63, and Z131 are parallel. We want someone Z58+ but ancestral for any further downstream known snp. That I put such a branch in my tree suggests I found one, but I see no easy way to search my many thousand hap database to refind him. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "I1modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Hopsandmelb@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:45 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z58+ but negative thereafter? Ken What about Z58+and Z63-, Z131- Mel In a message dated 3/22/2012 1:41:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, knordtvedt@bresnan.net writes: Does anyone know of the key but elusive Z58+ but Z59- Z138-/Z139- person? They should be testing for DF29. - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See: "Tree for I1" "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" "I1modalities" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message