They are not publically known. There was a mini-haplotype involving a freak value for DYS385 for one of their claimed Z131+ I recall. But no FTDNA test subject has ever turned up Z131+ -----Original Message----- From: K Ruud Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:07 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed Are the Z131+ DYS values very different from the others ? Or are they known at all ? 3 out of 15 were presumably Z131+, one would guess that several Z131+ would have had the chance to be found in the FTDNA tested bunch of people. A bit peculiar that not even one has been found. 2012/3/9 Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> > We have not seen a Z131+ yet independently of its reported existence by > 1000 > Genomes, so this is all speculation. Indeed this is a mystery, since 1000 > Genomes reports seeing 3 (out of 15?) such Z131+ > > -----Original Message----- > From: K Ruud > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:47 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Early Days of I1: DF29 needed > > I wonder if it is clear where the DF29 is located ? > > Is it downstream from M253 and upstream from Z58 and Z63 and not involving > the Z131 ? > > Just wondering if the DF29 and Z131 are running separately downstream from > M253 ? > > > Best regards > Ken Ruud > (Z58-, Z63-, Z131-) > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > > 2012/3/9 Lplantagenet <lplantagenet@aol.com> > > > > > I have one AS7E volunteer for DF29 (in the I1 project) , but he may not > > order for several days since he is away from home this weekend. > > > > Lindsey > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message