There are miscelaneous clades and miscelaneous generics and ...... Question is; can we find you relatively close to a sizeable population of other haplotypes? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Phethean Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:47 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade Ken, I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just "miscellaneous"? :-( Regards, Stuart Kit No B1292 On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > Marker identifiers are: > > 393 = 12 > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > 449 = 30 > 464d = 15 > 460 = 9 > 442 = 11 > > 481 = 26 or 27 > 446 = 14 > > 540 = 11 > 549 = 11 > 635 = 24 > 504 = 15 > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches my RHODES modal 109 of 111. The connection must have been before 1776, the birth year of my ggg-gf, probably in Lancaster Co., PA. The KLEIN line can be traced back to ca. 1650 in Baden, Germany and arrived in Lancaster Co., PA ca. 1740. "Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we decide to sleep around." Arrrggghhh. The village was run over multiple times in the 30 Years War. Goodness knows what transpired during those years. John M. Rhodes On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > There are miscelaneous clades and miscelaneous generics and ...... > > Question is; can we find you relatively close to a sizeable population of > other haplotypes? > > > > - - - - > Kenneth Nordtvedt > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically > updated as new information is obtained. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Phethean > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:47 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade > > Ken, > > I'm "Z63+ not T2" and not I1-Yk, so do I assume I'm still just > "miscellaneous"? > > :-( > > Regards, > > Stuart > Kit No B1292 > > On 18 March 2012 15:43, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net> wrote: > > > > > I1-T2 clade has been found to be Z63+ Up until now other Z63+ were > > miscelaneous generics showing negligible clustering. > > > > But we now have a small companion clade within Z63+ with nickname I1-Yk > > > > Marker identifiers are: > > > > 393 = 12 > > 385 = 14,14 or 14,15 > > 449 = 30 > > 464d = 15 > > 460 = 9 > > 442 = 11 > > > > 481 = 26 or 27 > > 446 = 14 > > > > 540 = 11 > > 549 = 11 > > 635 = 24 > > 504 = 15 > > > > It is rumored that a historical very early New England colonial governor, > > well known in my era’s school books, was a member of clade I1-Yk Z63+ > > > > > > > > > > > > - - - - > > Kenneth Nordtvedt > > See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at > > http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net > > showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are > > periodically updated as new information is obtained. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Why can you rule out that the adoption or hanky panky or whatever happened in PA rather than back in the old country? Rhodes does not sound like a German surname? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches my RHODES modal 109 of 111. The connection must have been before 1776, the birth year of my ggg-gf, probably in Lancaster Co., PA. The KLEIN line can be traced back to ca. 1650 in Baden, Germany and arrived in Lancaster Co., PA ca. 1740. "Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we decide to sleep around." Arrrggghhh. The village was run over multiple times in the 30 Years War. Goodness knows what transpired during those years. John M. Rhodes

I especially collect 68-111 haplotype extensions. Unfortunately the Worldfamilies spreadsheet for Rhodes project only goes up to 67 markers. Where can I see the Rhodes/Klein 68-111 marker haplotypes? - - - - Kenneth Nordtvedt See "Tree for I1" and "Tree and Map for haplogroup I" at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net showing my working tree for YDNA haplogroup I. These files are periodically updated as new information is obtained. -----Original Message----- From: John M Rhodes Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:51 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1-T2 has a companion clade There's another question, too, having to do with my NPE relatives named KLEIN. I just received the full 111-markers for my KLEIN line that matches my RHODES modal 109 of 111. John M. Rhodes