Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? Makes very minimal sense to me. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test Good morning Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now that it is available at FTDNA. It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and do Z58,would that be necessary ? Thanks Ray Jenkins I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ Ysearch AETEN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nothing is "necessary." You would backfill only if you wish to add to the validity of the I1 haplotree and the expense is not a concern. Or maybe you're just curious about yourself - "I don't care what everyone else's results are, I want to know what *my* results are!" Not right or wrong. Just a personal preference. http://dgmweb.net/DNA/General/SNP-maxout-HgI1.html#Z138 Diana > From: Kenneth Nordtvedt > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 10:24 PM > > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > Makes very minimal sense to me.

I have pretty much the same question as ISOGG is placing Z73 as a downstream of z138/z139 (which I tested positive for) but other groups are placing it as a downstream of z60. Any inputs ? My kit number: 186577 Thanks, Tony On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > Makes very minimal sense to me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > Good morning > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now that > it is available at FTDNA. > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > Thanks > Ray Jenkins > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > Ysearch AETEN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329

It would be best if ISOGG explained why they place Z73 downstream of Z138/Z139. The tree put out by 1000 Genomes organization which discovered these Z series snps place Z73 downstream of Z60 or maybe Z60/Z61. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bardy Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:41 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test I have pretty much the same question as ISOGG is placing Z73 as a downstream of z138/z139 (which I tested positive for) but other groups are placing it as a downstream of z60. Any inputs ? My kit number: 186577 Thanks, Tony On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > Makes very minimal sense to me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > Good morning > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now > that > it is available at FTDNA. > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > Thanks > Ray Jenkins > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > Ysearch AETEN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ken, I have e-mailed ISOGG asking what was the criteria used for placing z73 there. I hope they reply... Best regards, Tony Bardy On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > It would be best if ISOGG explained why they place Z73 downstream of > Z138/Z139. > > The tree put out by 1000 Genomes organization which discovered these Z > series snps place Z73 downstream of Z60 or maybe Z60/Z61. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Bardy > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:41 PM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > I have pretty much the same question as ISOGG is placing Z73 as a > downstream of z138/z139 (which I tested positive for) but other groups are > placing it as a downstream of z60. > > Any inputs ? > > My kit number: 186577 > > Thanks, > > Tony > > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt > <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > > > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > > Makes very minimal sense to me. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray > > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM > > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > > > Good morning > > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now > > that > > it is available at FTDNA. > > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack > and > > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > > Thanks > > Ray Jenkins > > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > > Ysearch AETEN > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > ANTONIO BARDY > FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES > 7411 International Drive > Orlando, FL 32819 > Tel: 407-535-3639 > Fax: 321-251-5599 > E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM > Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 > Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329

There seems some tendency for I1 DYS487 = 13 folks to end up Z138+ Z139+. There are exceptions, but this 487 Z138/139 correlation seems to be growing. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Bardy Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:41 PM To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test I have pretty much the same question as ISOGG is placing Z73 as a downstream of z138/z139 (which I tested positive for) but other groups are placing it as a downstream of z60. Any inputs ? My kit number: 186577 Thanks, Tony On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <knordtvedt@bresnan.net>wrote: > Why would you want to do Z58 if positive for Z`138 and Z139? > Makes very minimal sense to me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:07 AM > To: y-dna-haplogroup-i@rootsweb.com > Subject: [yDNAhgI] Z73 SNP test > > Good morning > Could someone advise if the Z73 snp test is one that I should take now > that > it is available at FTDNA. > It was also suggested in a recent project group email that I backtrack and > do Z58,would that be necessary ? > Thanks > Ray Jenkins > I1-AS@ Z138+/Z139+ > Ysearch AETEN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ANTONIO BARDY FLORIDA CONNEXION PROPERTIES 7411 International Drive Orlando, FL 32819 Tel: 407-535-3639 Fax: 321-251-5599 E-mail: BUYHOMEINFLORIDA@GMAIL.COM Brasil SP: (11)3958-4311 Brasil RJ : (21)3958-1329 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message